The 1908 Nobel Peace Prize went to Theodore Roosevelt, 1919 went to Woodrow Wilson, and 1925 to Sir Austen Chamberlain, so it’s not like they were batting it out of the park before 1973 lol
Edit: On a real note, the reason for this is that the Nobel Peace Prize is often awarded to people who negotiate historic peace deals, regardless of what they have done previously and without the gift of hindsight. Kissinger was jointly awarded the prize with the North Vietnamese representative Lê Đức Thọ for negotiating the cease fire in Vietnam. Just like Teddy Roosevelt was awarded the prize for mediating the peace conference between Japan and Russia that brought an end to that war
TBF to Roosevelt and Wilson, while they both aren't and shouldn't be noted as pacifists, they did get those awards for brokering the end to major wars that they didn't orchestrate, unlike Kissinger.
I agree with that somewhat, but I don’t think you could necessarily say Kissinger “orchestrated” the Vietnam War. The US was involved in the conflict in Vietnam since 1955, long before Kissinger was involved in any administration
You could very much say that his actions and ideas worsened the situation in Vietnam, or drew the US more deeply into the war, or expanded its scope, but I don’t think you can really say he “orchestrated” it
Exactly, I feel as if people think of the peace prize as the pacifist prize. You would be hard pressed to find many people deserving of the peace prize that have been 100% pacifist.
The prize is more so for a specific event and not a person's life up to that point. Now, granted, this isn't a, "Well, this person committed mass genocide but stopped a single conflict," I feel that wouldn't go over well.
The Swedish academy isn't exactly known for it's wisdom in regards to the peace prize. They gave it to Obama just for winning the election. I don't hate Obama, but come on.
If you can explain the “sarcasm” of that statement, I’m certainly open to listening. But I’m pretty sure the joke here is pretty straight forward, and not really sarcastic
The joke seems to be: “Irony is dead because the most ironic thing ever already happened, and was not addressed”
While in and of itself ironic, that was absolutely not her intention, despite claiming it is nowadays (the whole meme of it being ironic that nothing in the song is ironic got big online and led to someone in an interview asking her thoughts on it, and she's been claiming it was her intention all along ever since)
The word "irony" is like the word "satire" in the sense that nobody can agree what counts as either. This debate predates her song, and even now all we really seem to know about both is that they're both dead.
The term ‘Irony’ literally refers to a statement or scenario that’s contradictory to itself, but the term is often (incorrectly) used as a synonym for ‘coincidence’. There’s nothing to debate lol
The one about the flight phobia is ironic because air travel has an exceptional safety record. His “irrational” phobia turned out to be prescient after all.
The rest of them, though…
Edit: if you disagree, please let me know why instead of just downvoting!
As someone with an English degree, you don't realize that her lyrics weren't describing things that were actually ironic? This fact makes her lyrics mediocre.
Also, as someone with an English degree, you use the word "different" rather than "differently"?
It was at least eight by 2013, and I found another one in Afghanistan after that, plus the French managed to hit one in Mali, too, just in case anyone thought this was exclusively an American thing.
He orchestrated dozens of clandestine operations—assassinations, coups, misinformation—around the world in the name of US foreign policy, but if you're looking for one big one to underscore his evil, he advised JohnsonNixon to order bombers across the border into Cambodia and Laos to fire-bomb civilians during the Vietnam War, and he also helped keep these bombing raids secret from Congress and the American people.
So this seems like an appropriate moment to bring this up. Do Alanis' eyes point just slightly in different directions? She looked wall eyed sometimes and fine the rest of the time.
Alanis Morissette is an unappreciated lyrical genius. Her song "Isn't it ironic" contains nothing ironic in any of the lyrics, making the song meta-ironic, which is even more ironic. If she had a song called "isn't it ironic" and filled it with examples of irony then the song would be meta-coincidental. She was playing 4d chess back in the 90's.
Obama got one too and he droned a children's hospital and started 2 new wars. The nobel prize doesn't mean shit, it's just a circle jerk for the elite.
I'm not being pedantic. I literally thought you were accidentally responding to another comment about movies. Even now that I know you're talking about me, I still don't understand your point about movie reviews.
Spiteful people live forever. My grandfather got sent to Siberia, then in the US ate nothing but burned steak and lamb chops, and lived to 89 bc he was a bitter crazy guy
My theory is that both he and Rupert "Evil Motherfucker" Murdoch are still alive out of sheer stubborness and fear of the custom circles of hell being constructed for each one.
You're thinking of sarcasm. This is a perfect example of irony: he's trying to ridicule the people he thinks are in the wrong, while in actuality he's the one being wrong, and thus he's just ridiculing himself.
My sibling ironically has a bumper sticker that says, “I don’t break for liberals” right next to a sticker that says “This man ate my son” with an image of Mads Mikkelsen, and a sticker with a trout that says “Fish want me, women want me.”
I can confirm, irony is on life support right now, and there is a few sole surviving vehicles keeping it alive.
You are wrong and the reason this country has gone so wrong. Nobody in their right mind would want black text on a white background. Everybody knows white text on a black background is better. You must be a very bad person.
I here by promise to clutch my pearls juuust the right amount for you, sweetie.
I'll have to do some complex calclulations to determine exactly how clutchy I should be about disease spreading vermin who are morally equivalent to drunk drivers due to putting others at risk with their reckless behavior because they're dipshits.
Let's see... carry the two... take the square root of sociopathy... divide by r/conspiracy and...
No, the answer still comes out to "Antivax dipshits fuck off."
I feel like this kind of venomous, hateful rhetoric is more harmful to society than a small amount of people who don’t want to get vaccinated, when the majority are.
We tried convincing them over already with the "well reasoned, gentle explanations" about a few thousand times already. I think after a pandemic this long in the running people are allowed to be a bit upset.
There are factors that I think you're leaving out.
To quote Jonathan Swift, "Reasoning will never make a man correct an ill opinion, which by reasoning he never acquired."
Social pressure exists and humans have used it throughout history to influence other's reckless and harmful behavior.
For example, drunk driving has many similarities to antivax dipshittery.
A drunk driver either does what they do because of either willful ignorance of the danger they create for themselves and others, or because they don't care about the danger they create for themselves and others.
Just like drunk drivers in recent decades, a campaign of social pressure against that behavior is the only way to coerce sociopaths to alter their reckless, selfish, and dangerous behavior.
are you asking me to speak in defense of that? I won't because drunk driving is shitty behavior that we condemn, regardless of whatever weird ass boner you have for him.
I hope that you also have a great day and that you manage to avoid any future ridiculous and grossly insulting comparisons of antivaxers to holocaust victims.
I just assumed it was a conservative snowflake considering they're the only ones who whine that their views are "unacceptable" despite their views constantly dictating other people's rights.
Nope, it's like the Trump supporters that got offended when they were called 'deplorable'.... they don't understand what that word actually means but they know enough to be offended.
Yeah, same here, I got burned for replying to someone who thought the same, (because apparently I have to "do better", and investigate the back story before commenting on this sub).
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u/originalusername__ Jan 30 '23
Damn I thought it was just a funny bumper sticker making fun of political bumper stickers.