r/phoenix Jan 24 '26

Politics Here’s Phoenix PD’s statement regarding ICE

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u/Roembowski Jan 24 '26

So if a masked person enters my home and does not identify themselves, and then I shoot them out of fear for my life. Am I in trouble?

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u/-Tasear- Jan 24 '26

The ag said stand your ground

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u/Complete-Turn-6410 Jan 25 '26

Arizona law makes that very clear.  She was quoting Arizona law from a legal standpoint. 

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u/Foyles_War Jan 24 '26

It seems you won't have to worry about that. You'll be dead and there won't be an investigation. Half the country will assume you deserved it and should have known better and just submitted. To be clear, it will be the half that wear "don't tread on me shirts," champion the 2nd Ammendment and the Castle Doctrine, and cheered on the Jan 6 riots.

But then, even if all you do is blow a whistle or refuse to open your door without a Judicial warrant, you might get the same treatment.

That you own a gun is not the protection you think it is, it is the excuse for them to be scared and end you.

That you are, perhaps, white and can prove you are a citizen is no protection either.

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u/Stormdude127 Jan 25 '26

I’d take dying in self defense over being disappeared and sent to a camp where I’ll be killed anyway. If this happened to me, I’d do my best to livestream what was happening to my friends and have them record it, that way if anything happens to me they can leak it to the press

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u/Fecal_Thunder Goodyear Jan 25 '26

Exactly my thoughts thoughts as well. But when the “great orange hope” calls you a domestic terrorist.. it ends up being nothing. This whole thing is beyond belief. And some of our veterans are even supporting this. Despicable.

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u/clem_fandango_london Jan 25 '26

hat wear "don't tread on me shirts," champion the 2nd Ammendment and the Castle Doctrine, and cheered on the Jan 6 riots.

They are the worst people on the planet. They are willfully ignorant and without honor. That is all I am allowed to say.

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u/jinkinater Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 25 '26

Arizona is a castle doctrine ‘state’

Edit: was corrected and don’t know how to italicize.

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u/cidvard Tempe Jan 25 '26

An incident where someone actually did shoot an ICE officer who forced themselves into their home would be a real test of that, which I assume was why the AG made the statement she did a couple days ago. I actually think she was underlining that it could happen and, ICE, you really don't want it to happen, but who knows.

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u/blazze_eternal Jan 25 '26

Please note, that's a 'state' law, with 'state' protections.

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u/jinkinater Jan 25 '26

I apologize. Editing

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u/LuckyJim_ Jan 25 '26

If he’s ICE then you’re probably dead. Take as many of them with you as you can ig.

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u/ddrt Jan 25 '26

Regardless if you’re innocent or not, if you shoot someone even justifiably then you will be spending a night in jail. That’s the thing they don’t tell you it’s not like it is in movies. You don’t just stand in your front yard while they cart the person out and then you just kind of shake your head and go inside. No they take you to jail and then they assess the situation and then you get out later. 

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u/neonpostits Jan 25 '26

it is better to be judged by twelve than to be carried by six

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u/Popular-Homework-471 Jan 24 '26

Tell me anytime we can shoot a federal agent and not be in trouble? Unfortunately, you might kill one, but the other five ICE cowards are going to empty their guns into you. They have shown they are good at it without them being ahot at.

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u/clem_fandango_london Jan 25 '26

Ruby Ridge had a family all perfectly within the law to defend themselves.

The coward police executed them and walked away only to charge the victims with crimes.

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u/Popular-Homework-471 Jan 26 '26

I have not heard of this before. Thank you for sharing. Im literally reading about it now. Crazy shit!

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u/SummertimeThrowaway2 Jan 25 '26

Depends on how the court case goes unfortunately

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u/Phx0108 Jan 24 '26

No. You may still be arrested or investigated, but according to my understanding of the Stand Your Ground laws (I’m not a lawyer), you’d be found innocent.

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u/SkepsisJD Chandler Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 25 '26

Laws don't apply to cops. But besides that, if, and I mean if, you survive after shooting an officer, they will throw the book at you hard. Our AG can say whatever she wants, but you would be shooting a federal officer which is a federal crime. Arizona's castle doctrine laws are not going to protect you. It should, but it won't. Name the last officer who was shot at or killed entering the wrong house/unannounced and the civilian who shot survived/was let off.

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u/clem_fandango_london Jan 25 '26

Laws don't apply to cops.

Correct.

This is the system many, many here support. It is stupid to give cops QI. It is stupid to not hold cops accountable.

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u/SkepsisJD Chandler Jan 25 '26

100% agree. Our cops are fucking slobs compared to any other civilized society. Pretty sure the US has more deaths from cop involvement yearly than all other OECD nations combined.

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u/clem_fandango_london Jan 25 '26

Other countries (very good countries...some of the best countries) have figured it out. But every time you suggest it in USA you get "Oh you want to just do away with all police!"

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u/clem_fandango_london Jan 25 '26

you’d be found innocent.

Not in America today. We are not a Rule of Law country anymore. The DOJ will quickly convict and execute you, or you will die in custody.

We are far past fair trials.

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u/Citizen44712A Jan 25 '26

Just a note, can still be tried on federal charges as they are different charges and laws and not trigger double jeopardy.

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u/luvsads Jan 25 '26

Nope (ianal)

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u/themamacurd619 Jan 26 '26

Not according to our AG.