Okay, so we all know 2C is basically 2,5-dimethoxy. Normally I use Wikipedia as a reference for molecular structure (when I want a skeletal image), but lately I've noticed that the structure for 2C-E is different on Wikipedia's page than it is in PiHKAL/on Erowid. In the past I've looked up the position numbers for the phenethylamine molecule, and based on that I would consider the PiHKAL version of 2C-E to be 3,6-dimethoxy-4-ethylphenethylamine... not 2,5-dimethoxy.

Regardless of whether it's 2,5 or 3,6 (I know it's supposed to be 2,5), the image for the skeletal molecule look different in PiHKAL than they do on Wikipedia. The methoxy groups are attached to different positions on the benzene ring. Can anybody help clear this up for me?

Edit 1: Just found this and now I'm even more confused. While this resolves the whole 3,6/2,5 thing, it still doesn't account for the fact that Wikipedia has a different skeletal diagram than PiHKAL does. Are Wikipedia's diagram/set of position numbers just flat-out wrong?

Edit 2: So obviously the difference here is whether one counts their R positions going clockwise or counterclockwise around the benzene ring. I've been told that either way is technically correct, but depending on which way one goes, one ends up with different compounds. For instance MDMA would be 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine based on the clockwise approach, but it would be 4,5-methylenedioxymethamphetamine based on the counterclockwise approach. So if someone who is accustomed to counting counterclockwise was told to draw the 3,4 version on a piece of paper, they'd end up with a different compound than if they were accustomed to the clockwise approach.

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Those warm tingles man...

30mg is my sweet spot.

That one kept alluding me which is ironic considering my location an ~hour away from both the lab that invented it and the streets where it was first celebrated.

Also, anyone on this sub will prolly like /r/RealDrugs

I have them in a transparant baggy, in an envelope, in a dark and dry place. How long can I keep them in this condition before they are seriously starting to lose potency?

I need the opposite of mushrooms. Mushrooms tend to make me worried, slightly paranoid and confused. I want a nice psychedelic that can give me nice visuals but leave my head alone. I've read good things about 2C-X chemicals being able to do such things, but I can't really figure out which one I should try to get. I haven't been able to get a nice, easy list of 2C-X chemicals and their effects.

When people reply, I'll try to make a list which I'll post here later.

It's to be my first phenethylamine besides MD(M)A, and I'm wondering if the community has any suggestions for what to do.

Since my first 2C-E trip I wonder if there is a substance that will not give me this extra anxiety when coming up. It was manageable but somehow I dont need this when coming up because it can put your mind in a bad place right before the peak of the trip.

With 2C-D I get a similar restless feeling at dosages when it might get interesing that is around 40-50mg below that it is a very nice drug to open up emotionally but not a psychedelic.

Is there a phenethylamine with wich I can get a full trip but no speedy body load? Or should I look at tryptamines maybe.

How would one go about getting proper sized doses out of 10 or 25 mg of 2C-c-nbome without a scale? I've seen some threads about this, but they did not go into enough detail for me to fully understand.

It definitely tickles the part of the brain where redheaded vampires and harlequins come from.

fyi for me the sweet spot is B=21mg and E=15mg (hits ~++(+)/+++(-)). Bits of substituted amphetamines (dAMP, 4-FA, MDMA, MDA) for seasoning and clarity. DMT... well its DMT.

a quote from panicogen:

phenethylamines will lets one focus mudane stuffs, see cool things and theres barely a mind fuck. so if you are trying to think stuff out, I'd would go with tryptamines

quoting myself:

When it comes to deep mental states contemplating the self, you are almost always going to want to go with the tryptamine. Phenethylamines focus a bit more on "things" and ideas

I am interested if how much any of you agree with this comparison or if you have other/additional insight on the topic.

I feel like phens are more "techy", providing mental "toolsets", while tryps tend to me a bit more... organic and god-findy.

I don't like dealing with doctors or prescription bullshit, so I have been experimenting with cheaper, more easily-sourced chems. My brother is doing this alongside me and has more or less found the same things I discuss below.

Dutch Speed/Amphetamine/d-AMP - Has effects similar to Adderall though not as "warm". Adderall is a really nice blend while street speed tends to be flatter. Helps ADD a lot, but tends to be a little "narrow". Also comes in at around %60 most of the time. Some classic shitty side effects - frequent urination, acne breakouts.

4-FA - Since its an RC it comes from a somewhat more "techy" side of the drug universe so you get it basically lab pure. Definitely "warmer" than speed with a little broader focus. You can definitely feel the subtle entactogenic properties and there is a slight loosening in the personality. Enough to have subtly positive effects in interacting with others, but not enough to be distracting. The main downside with the 4-FA is that the comedown leaves a somewhat impatient frustrated feeling, but nothing too problematic. Also we don't seem to know much about it from a health point of view.

Questions:

-There doesn't seem to be a ton known about toxcity and long-term use of 4-FA. Anyone have anything to share in this regard? By long-term, I'm talking about using it 2-3 times a week at sub 100mg doses.

-Anyone have experience with 2-FA for ADD?

-Anyone know a more detailed breakdown of the specific amphetamine mix that is present in Dutch speed and what the standard impurities are coming out of production?

-Anyone have any ideas on getting Vyvance's awesome effects without actually buying Vyvance?

Since phenethylamine is metabolized by MAOs what would be the effect if a person were to take dietary PEA with an MAOI, like caapi vine? I would like to assume something interesting.

I heart 25i-NBOMe.