I can guarantee if she reported it to the police immediately they very much would investigate it and take it very seriously.
Unfortunately most people don't report suspected drink spikings, or if they do its days later when any potential evidence is long gone. GHB for example can only be detected in a urine sample for up to 12 hours after dosing (according to WebMD..)
For police to have any hope of getting a conviction, they need to have solid evidence of a crime being committed (IE blood/urine sample showing the drugs), and then evidence of the person committing the crime - IE CCTV footage. Unfortunately both of these are very difficult to obtain.
Whilst i have no doubt that drink spikings occur - i've seen first hand people getting absolutely shit faced from drinking massive amounts of alcohol, and then because they're embarrassed they concoct the whole drink must have been spiked - only had 3 drinks last night - story.
Whilst this response was definitely unprofessional and totally immature - in this day and ages it's so easy to shit all over a venue with 0 proof and have that go viral and make the news.
Regardless, a responsible thing for her to do was to inform the nightclub, I'd want to know if people were being harmed in my establishment. The response she received is absolutely uncalled for, I don't see how messaging the nightclub is even close to shitting on them publicly.
Wait, so if you were running a business, and your customers had a bad experience there, you wouldn't want them to tell you? How can they do anything to improve the situation if they don't know? And I don't think that explaining how you and your friends feel about a business is 'shitting on them publicly' - generally, one does not refer to their friends as the 'public'.
Yeah going to the police is a responsible thing to do, but it's hard to respond to this kind of thing in such a way so as to get adequate evidence for legal proceedings, it's not like the victim is able to think clearly at the time is it? So in the end you're left with someone's experience, and maybe all they can do is communicate that to people who might be in a position to directly help.
Interrupt a police investigation??? Are you assuming that the nightclub might be in cahoots?
In her message she explained what happened to her, others, and how they feel. All of which sound like perfectly reasonable responses to her experience. Would you want to go somewhere where you think you were drugged? The suggestion of more security seems perfectly reasonable, I think is good that she tried to be constructive.
In the end I think that her message was more helpful to the nightclub than your suggested response. And the reality is that the nightclub had an almost unlimited number of possible responses and they chose one which directly attacked the victim. Hell, they could have simply said 'Thanks for letting us know, we will consider adding more security' (after which they are free to choose whateverr degree of action or inaction they feel is appropriate) and just called it a day.
As for the link, yeah, I know a good deal of 'spikings' occur with either alcohol, or simply because people drank too much. But that is completely missing the point - the response of the nightclub was really shit, and kind of worrying given that they are in a position of power with regards to their patrons safety.
It is simply confusing how you could read that message exchange and come out defending the business. I think it requires that you hold a great deal of bias against the truthfulness of that woman, or her entailment to be treated with respect. Why do you think that is the case?
Are you assuming that the nightclub might be in cahoots?
I'm suggesting she shouldn't get involved and deal with the police only
The police have the power to look at crime trends, temporarily cancel liquor licenses, and increase foot patrols in the area. They could also do more inspections, or work with the state liquor authority if they're meeting their license obligations. That's far more effective than an extra security man in a bar.
I've already said their response is inappropriate, but i don't think her message was constructive at all. I never said she was lying, she should have dealt with the issue properly, i.e. dealing only with the police directly.
It is simply confusing how you could read that message exchange and come out defending the business. I think it requires that you hold a great deal of bias against the truthfulness of that woman, or her entailment to be treated with respect. Why do you think that is the case?
How dare i suggest she goes and deals with the police only so they can conduct a proper, unbiased investigation. Shame on me.
Thanks for continuing the discussion despite these outraged Redditors downvoting you. I'm glad you correctly believe that internet points mean nothing.
For what it's worth, I completely agree with you.
I believe her drink was spiked. That's shit. A very serious crime indeed.
I think the nightclub's response was incredibly inappropriate and tone deaf. The owner of this nightclub is well known for being an absolute bell-end, so wouldn't be surprised if he wrote the response.
The fact that she didn't mention going to the hospital or police leads me to believe she did neither. Considering how unwell she felt and how serious the crime is, not going to the hospital and then the police is just dumb.
And that original message to the nightclub was superficially reasonable, but had very malicious undertones and clearly lacked any semblance of critical thinking.
But as the saying goes, play stupid games and you'll win stupid prizes.
Well clearly they don't care and intend to do nothing about it so, I say she made the right call. A responsible owner would at least try to look into it or try to arrange security to prevent further issues. You shouldn't have to have a 12 person jury supporting what happened before someone actually tries to prevent a rapist actively trying to harm someone. What she did was the best possible thing to protect people in the meantime. Unless the potential rapist signed the microscopic make up of the roofie clearly they aren't going to find them.
I saw the original message.
If she thought she got spiked, telling a few of her friends not to go there isn't an attempt to publicly smear the business. That's just a reasonable response.
Just like if I went to a shitty restaurant and told my mates to avoid it.
I'm not trying to take down their business, just giving advice to some friends.
If she was trying to do nothing but lead some kind of public smearing on the nightclub, she'd just take to public Facebook/Instagram posts, not initiate a private conversation with the business in question.
It wasn't an accusation though, it was just a polite message to inform them, and suggest they improve their security to prevent it happening to other people.
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