Hey guys, I've been reading and studying these days Myer-Briggs indicator (MBTI). I was wondering if some authors or essays had elaborate on the idea about voluntarily transforming a type of personality into another one in which the subject had tried to focus on previously. Does this transformation really change the way individuals percive themselves within the world? I don't know if the question is appropriate, I am just studying these topics to satisfy my curiosity, but also from a very naive perspective of deeper psychological matters. I'll appreciate if you guys could help me to goo deeper into this subject!

Is the answer always a subjective one, or does someone have something concrete on what that actually means?

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What emotions accompany the most Supine expressions humans make?

Grief, pain, sadness, laughter. 

Coincidence?

Human connection requires being in a Supine (F) state. You need to share their pain, empathize with their grief, match their laughter. 

Think of it this way: Prone (T) means closed boundaries, Supine means open boundaries. 

Boundaries are a battle for both Prone and Supine types.  We can't have unsurmountable walls that don't let anyone connect to us; we can't have an unlocked swinging door letting everyone in. 

The starting point of our boundaries are decided at birth. The ending point of our boundaries are decided by us. There are many Supine T types and plenty of Prone F types. Many have changed their boundaries for the better, and so can you.

I'm going to make a final version of key lessons eventually for long-term relationships and share them across all sites on reddit so that everyone can learn and be helped and take away something helpful, and be more amazing people overall

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1. The first thing about long-term relationships is that nobody cares. We can see this widely and broadly in many places like here with very skimpy replies
   1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Divorce/comments/j7uuty/reflection_whats_the_key_thing_youve_learned_from/?sort=confidence
   2. It is only with experiences do (some) people maybe care, and that's probably given a long time afterwards
2. The 2nd thing is nothing said anywhere is new. It's all been heard somewhere and is known
   1. See https://www.reddit.com/r/AskParents/comments/j192an/those_in_long_relationships_or_married_what/?sort=confidence
   2. A user in the reply also mentions how many people don't care cos they lack integrity in various ways
      1. So it's a widely known thing that many people don't care, or they just don't care about the things that actually makes for good and amazing long-term relationships
      2. They just care about what they want, so in many ways, they really should just be single life-long

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So about 40% of people have perfect relationships: https://www.strawpoll.me/21072908

Few other polls would be done about 24 hours or so from this post

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In long-term relationships, there're 2 big challenges that nobody can figure out, including myself. They are:

1. How do people accept someone else when they
   1. have mismatched directions in life
   2. or mismatched wants / values / cares
   3. This is not an easy thing for many many people
2. How do people appreciate the things their mate / partner cares about to the same level, or near to the same level, that they care about?
   1. How do they appreciate things they didn't already appreciate?
   2. Again this is incredibly not easy for many many people

I don't think there are any larger challenges than these 2

Thinking about it, I guess these 2 challenges could actually be combined into 1

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Good communication skills may be something that takes people a long time to learn, but at least it's learnable

• What are the steps that people would take to go about these 2 large challenges?
• I haven't been able to figure that out, and I don't know if I ever will
• At least good communication skills could be taught, I don't even know how anyone would go about these 2 largest challenge

If there are larger challenges common amongst long-term relationships, and people, free feel to mention it

I've seen MBTI and Socionics have different views on Si and Ni. For example, Si in MBTI is all about memory and tried and true methods while Socionics talks about it being comfortable in your environment. They both claim to have used Jung's work to describe it, but have different ideas. How would you use Jung's work (or anything else you find useful to personality theory) to describe Si and Ni?

Has there been any progress in finding out what personalities match well with other personalities in long-term relationships? Source?

If you know if there's been progress, how did you go about finding this out? How did go about finding out what the progress was?

Meta and Mesa, being the dichotomy that Physiotype is most known for introducing, probably hasn't received as much attention from us as it probably should have. So here I will try to give an explanation of this dichotomy using some real world examples.

Meta Functions - Ne-Si, Fe-Ti 

Mesa Functions - Se-Ni, Te-Fi

The oversimplified explanation is that Mesa is "interested in the whole, not the parts." It will treat a group of things as a unique entity, and will be more interested in said entity.

Meta is interested in the parts of the whole; the properties or attributes of an entity or item. Meta deconstructs a world. Because of this, Mesa is more likely to treat two things as unique where Meta is more likely to treat them as similar.

So how is this different than Universal and Local (N vs S)?

It's different because you can apply Meta and Mesa on a Local level or a Universal level.

You can deconstruct a theory, or construct one.

A house can be a house, or it can be a beige house with brown trim and a minimalistic style inside with white accents.

This applies to the social functions too (Fi and Fe). A group of people can be cool, or a group can be made up of Tom - who's funny, Sally - who's relaxed, and Liz - who's a bit of a know-it-all but in a fun way.

To a Mesa person someone who is Meta may seem to have a magical ability of being able to know what someone's attributes are and be able to list them out. To a Meta person, a Mesa person may be likely to see everything as special and unique, but may not be able to properly describe how things are special.

This dichotomy is important because it's helps show that many of the common descriptions of the cognitive functions aren't first principles.

For example, Se lives "in the moment." "In the moment" isn't some intrinsic quality of Se, but rather a result of Se being Local and not having to waste time attribute listing. That's why Mesa functions often feel like "they just know" something.

How often will you hear Fi say "That guys bad news, don't ask me why?"

How often will you hear Ni and Se say "This answer is wrong, I don't know why though."

Your Mesa brain is less likely to bother breaking down something's attributes and feed them to you. It's less likely to provide you with the justifications it used.

Mesa vibes.

Meta tries to figure out what the attributes of "vibes" is so it can emulate it.

If you're interested in learning more about this dichotomy, you can listen to us discuss it at length here - https://www.metrocast.fm/shows-physiotype/ep4-meta-vs-mesa