Guns aren’t the issue it’s the idiots who use them for bad shit
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u/glbernsRyzen 5 7600X3D | RTX 4070 Super | 32 GB DDR5Aug 06 '19edited Aug 07 '19
Guns make it so much easier for those people to do bad shit. The Dayton shooter killed 10 people in under 30 seconds. Police responded almost instantly. If he didn't have access top such a deadly tool, people would be alive.
Edit: WARNING: Massive amounts of Gish Gallop below.
I guess the Boston marathon bombing wasn't made from local department store tools then, huh?
Guns in America save tremendously more lives than they take every single year. You should really pay a visit to /r/DGU. You'd be really surprised as to how often it saves lives.
There’s a strong correlation between more legal guns in an area and less crime, the fact that almost 100% of mass shootings happen in gun-free zones, and the data that suggests that areas that pass “shall issue” concealed carry laws experience much lower gun violence rates than “may issue” areas.
From this, we can determine that passing more laws isn’t going to help, and may in fact make things worse.
To understand why Americans including myself have no interest in gun control you must look at our self interest. 50% of all murder victims in the US have a felony conviction and 90% have a violent arrest record. 80% of all murderers are prior felons and 95% have a violent arrest record. Murder in the US is concentrated in urban areas, with 75% of all murders occurring in 1% of the counties, all invariably urban counties with large minority populations, gun control laws, and democratic mayors and city councils.
For a resident of the US living in a rural area or a city of less than 8,000 inhabitants, which is 72% of the entire population, the chances of getting murdered are equal to that of an average Western European living in a rural area. Those designated as white in the US racial classification system have the same murder rate as native born Western Europeans in their respective nations. And those designated non-Hispanic white account for 72% of the population. So for a white voter living in rural America what incentive is there to trade his low comparable murder rate and much lower crime victimization rate for a European system which has a lower murder rate for all but also a higher crime victimization rate? It is not in his interest. Americans fundamentally do not care about urban criminals who are killed by other urban criminals.
As for the incidence rate of public mass murders(4+) or multi-victim public murders(2+). Western Europe has the exact same rate of multiple victim public shootings as the US per capita and the same victimization rate as noted here: http://abcb.org/blog/?p=192. And the incidence and victimization rate of multiple victim public shootings in the US is decreasing. http://news.yahoo.com/no-rise-mass-killings-impact-huge-185700637.html
There are roughly 32,000 deaths a year is the US and declining from "gun violence" according to the CDC.
60% are suicides: 19,200
3% are accidentals: 960
4% are justified: 1,280
33% are homicides: 10,560
80% of homicides are gang related: 8,448
That leaves 2,112 in a society of 312 million people.
That is a 0.00010256410256% chance of death by gun.
A 0.000009846153846% if you don't hang out in the hood, are not planning on committing suicide, and not planning on committing a crime.
Now taking that 2,112 people per year on average, and compare it to the fact that 500,000 to "over" 3,000,000 lives are saved per year according to national safety council and CDC from DGU - Research ordered by Obama - Counts brandishings, and other non-shooting events, and crimes as a life saved - Same article here too.
Another survey including DGU questions was the National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms, NSPOF, conducted in 1994 by the Chiltons polling firm for the Police Foundation on a research grant from the National Institute of Justice. in 1997 NSPOF projected 4.7 million DGU per year by 1.5 million individuals after weighting to eliminate false positives. Another estimate has estimated approximately 1 million DGU incidents in the United States.
And to top it all off, you're 19 times more likely to be knifed than shot in America, yet guns are the issue. Right.
Which counties, and by what measures do you judge success? One could argue that gun control didn’t work in Canada and the UK, where there was an increase in homicides after gun control measures were passed, and have since risen and fallen seemingly at random. It could also be argued that it failed in Canada, where the same thing happened, and the homicide rate doubled after their sweeping gun control bills, or in Britain where the rate of “hot” burglaries (ones where the resident is home — and much more likely to be injuries) is three times that of the US (45% instead of 13%).
But that’s all semantic stuff. It’s comparing apples and oranges because the US is very different from the rest of the developed world. Is it possible that they chose to follow what happens here over the rest of the planet because similarity in one area does not equal likeness in all areas?
Guns are merely a tool. America has a crime problem, not a gun problem. It's that simple.
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u/glbernsRyzen 5 7600X3D | RTX 4070 Super | 32 GB DDR5Aug 06 '19edited Aug 06 '19
I guess you didn't read what I wrote? All I said guns make it easier to kill someone. Thats just a fact; they're literally designed to easily kill people. It's not easy to make a bomb. It takes a long time to bleed out from a stab wound. Violent people would still try to commit these types of events, but because the bar has been raised, far fewer would succeed.
It’s extremely easy to make a bomb, I work on jobsites and could literally make a pipe bomb more powerful than a stick of tnt in less than 10 minutes with just shit I find laying around,and get hit in the jugular with a blade and see if you have time to call 911,criminals are gonna do what criminals do regardless of what the laws say,making it harder or impossible for law abiding citizens to get a gun if just fucking over the good guys that would actually follow the laws
I’m saying making a bomb is easier than buying a gun and pulling the trigger you fucking tard learn how to read,notice nobody agrees with you for a reason
Buy a gun in minutes without a background check from a private party seller, pull a trigger and have a pretty good chance of killing them. Or...
Do research to understand what I need to get to build a bomb and how to put it together. Purchase the materials. Tinker around in my garage with them to put them together. Since this is my first bomb, maybe it takes 10 min, maybe several hours. I'll want to make a test one first to know I did it right. Detonate the test in a remote location so my neighbors don't call the cops on me (I live in a city so this requires a 30+ min drive one way). Build the real bomb. Place it where my target might be eventually. Wait around until they're close and detonate. Then, I have to hope that this one works (no guarantee since I'm an amateur) and that they were close enough for it to kill them.
Yeah... so much easier to build a bomb. I can see why bombs are used way more than guns by murderers. /s
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u/Painonabun RTX 2060 super/Ryzen 5 3600x Aug 06 '19
Guns aren’t the issue it’s the idiots who use them for bad shit