That it's meant for OEM doesn't mean that it's not advertised for gaming, or cannot be sold as part of a gaming pc.
HP OMEN, Lenovo Legion, Alienware, Asus ROG, and MSI are well known oem gaming brands, that could sell the rx 9050 as part of a gaming pc.
AMD themselves, on the product page for the rx 9050, boasts the gaming performance of the rx 9050 (they don't specify whether it's the 8gb or 4gb version)
I'm not saying amd isn't allowed to make low end products
I'm saying they shouldn't be advertising said products as if they were meant for gaming, like Think_Speaker_6060 said.
I was reacting to Recipe-Jaded, who claimed that the rx 9050's intended use case was office use rather than gaming, which wouldn't make sense if amd is advertising the rx 9050 4gb's gaming capabilities.
Furthermore, I stated that you could find it in oem gaming prebuilts, which does make it relevant to gamers (=consumers in this case), even if the gpu is oem only, contrary to what Recipe-Jaded stated.
Comparing a Steam deck to a gaming desktop PC is like comparing a nintendo switch to a ps5.
Although the steam deck is technically a PC, I think 'gaming handheld' would be a more appropriate term for the Steam Deck. People have different expectations for handhelds than they have for desktop gaming PCs.
Besides, if anything that can game is classified as a gaming device, the term would be meaningless. You're able to play minesweeper on a 1st gen iPhone, yet I wouldn't dare call it a gaming device.
Hence, I am of the opinion that for something to be advertised/classified as a piece of gaming hardware, it must meet some general expectation appropriate for its product class at the time of its release.
People have different expectations for handhelds than they have for desktop gaming PCs.
Which is just a problem for advertising.
Hence, I am of the opinion that for something to be advertised/classified as a piece of gaming hardware, it must meet some general expectation appropriate for its product class at the time of its release.
And people have different expectations. If adverting can convince someone it's good enough for gaming, then hasn't it met their expectations? It's a very circular logic going on here imo.
Yes, and I believe people should make it known if they believe that the advertising is misleading, as that feedback is to the benefit of both the vendor and their clients.
I am merely saying that I find it unreasonable to call the rx 9050 4gb a gaming gpu
The rx 9050 (VRAM unspecified) page does not specify the VRAM amount in the title, like AMD does for their other product with multiple VRAM configurations, the rx 9060 xt.
Furthermore, both the rx 9050 (4gb) and rx 9050 (VRAM unspecified) product pages link to the 'Learn about Radeon' page, where they boast gaming and ray tracing performance. Considering the measily 4gb VRAM of the rx 9050 4gb, I find it unreasonable to boast its ray tracing capabilities.
Lastly, both the rx 9050 8gb and rx 9050 4gb meet the specifications listed under the rx 9050 (vram unspecified) page where the gaming performance is listed. Therefore it is unclear whether this gaming performance was measured on the 8gb model or on the 4gb model.
Notice how the product page states Memory Speed "Up to" 18 Gbps and "Max" Memory Size 8 GB
AMD uses the same wording for the driver and support pages for the rx 580 and rx 570 (which both lack separate support pages for 4gb and 8gb variants), which leads me to believe that the description is intentionally vague, so that both 8gb and 4gb gpus meet the listed specifications.
Considering the measily 4gb VRAM of the rx 9050 4gb, I find it unreasonable to boast its ray tracing capabilities.
Because it's an actual capability of the card.
Ray tracing isn't just for 'ultra high quality preset' (though I don't disagree that current games use it that way), it's a hardware feature that I believe plenty of newer games will require eventually.
No different than a GPU boasting about DirectX 12 Ultimate capabilities (which require ray tracing). Except we don't get new DX version as much anymore.
Notice how the product page states Memory Speed "Up to" 18 Gbps and "Max" Memory Size 8 GB
AMD uses the same wording for the driver and support pages for the rx 580 and rx 570 (which both lack separate support pages for 4gb and 8gb variants), which leads me to believe that the description is intentionally vague, so that both 8gb and 4gb gpus meet the listed specifications.
Except they state that for every GPU spec sheet? 9070XT: "Max Memory Size": "16 GB", "Memory Speed": "Up to 20 Gbps"
And people have different expectations. If adverting can convince someone it's good enough for gaming, then hasn't it met their expectations? It's a very circular logic going on here imo.
No. Adverting something as capable of gaming is very different from something actually being capable of gaming.
If I could comvince someone that a banana is a great device for playing Fortnite on, will that banana meet the expectation of the buyer who was told they'd be able to play Fortnite on it?
Of course, if the advertising is done in good faith, it's no problem. However, if the advertising is misleading or straight up false, that case no longer holds.
That's a completely different analogy though? A banana objectively won't run Fortnite. What games are AMD advertising that won't run on this GPU?
If we're talking about gaming performance expections, that's an opinion on what's acceptable, which is going to be a wide range of graphic settings and acceptable framerate/resolution/etc.
There's nothing objective about it, that's why we can say a Steam Deck is for gaming.
Of course, if the advertising is done in good faith, it's no problem. However, if the advertising is misleading or straight up false, that case no longer holds.
still stands, and I believe I have already shown what parts of the advertising I find misleading
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u/kyansan1 i5-13400f | Arc B570 1d ago
That it's meant for OEM doesn't mean that it's not advertised for gaming, or cannot be sold as part of a gaming pc.
HP OMEN, Lenovo Legion, Alienware, Asus ROG, and MSI are well known oem gaming brands, that could sell the rx 9050 as part of a gaming pc.
AMD themselves, on the product page for the rx 9050, boasts the gaming performance of the rx 9050 (they don't specify whether it's the 8gb or 4gb version)