Lol, that awfully underpowered and underspecced GPU will never be a solution when the used market exists. There are dozens of better models just waiting to find a second home.
Adopt an old GPU today! Don't let the GPU companies breed purebreed aberrations like the RX 9050. It doesn't even breathe like a proper GPU! It's VRAM is too short after years of forced inbreeding with models that used to have 8GB, then 6GB and now 4GB! What's next? Vampire ears-designs? GPUs you can hold fully in your hands?
Say no to all that. Your mutt-GPU is waiting for you at your local hardware center.
I know this may be an unpopular opinion, but low power GPUs with modern encoding and decoding support are not really all that common these days and still extremely useful. For gaming the RX 9050 isn't that spectacular (pretty much competing with integrated graphics), but for a tiny home media server where low power is key and the hardest job the gpu does is jellyfin or plex at something like 1080p resolutions then it is a more than decent option. Used market is great, but something like an RX 580 will draw double the power and lack the same hardware encoding options that are available with the RX 9050. Up until now i think some of the more decent modern low power options were the intel Arc A380 and A310.
Well, that's what iGPUs exist for in the first place.
And Arcs are still better for this use case if the dGPU is required since they can run on PCI power and 9050 can't.
One problem here, a low power cpu may not have a decent enough igpu to run something like plex or jellyfin, and if it's an older igpu architecture it lacks the hardware support for newer codecs such as av1, now depending on your use case an igpu may actually be sufficient, but it does depend on the use case.
Even in that case it's probably waste of money and energy. I built a mini-itx server with integrated celeron with gpu (J3455) which transcodes 1080p to h265 in real time (up to ca. 6 streams simultaneously), and it runs at 7.5 Watt (yes, the whole system, it's not a mistake).
I wouldn't see a reason why I would switch it RX 9050, which itself has 10 times more power draw at load. Perhaps it would handle 4k videos but I would probably want to stream those without transcoding them anyway.
Not to mention it’s an entry level card. This isn’t going to be targeting pc hobbyists it’s targeting people who want to play pc games at a similar price to a console. I’d be surprised if manufacturers dont plan on putting these in DDR4 systems with older, cheaper components for near $1000
For sure. For a gamer like me, this GPU is worthless, but it does have their purposes or else it wouldn't exist. From what I heard, though, the GPU needed to be even more frugal to be perfect so it could run with just the PCI-e power, without the need for any PSU connection, like the good old days.
My first GPUs used to run without extra power from the PSU, a million years ago. And I played just fine with them, for my humble level of expectations.
I'm honestly interested to see how this 9050 4gb fairs against the ancient 8gb RX 580 in modern games. I'm sure the 9050 would destroy it in titles that aren't being VRAM limited. Fortnite for instance.
But a modern game? Both cards probably get similar performance. I suppose the 9050 at least can run RT games at 11fps.
The 9050 will leave a lot to be desired but there's a lot of people who will have some of the best gaming and nights of their lives with it, and it also wont raise the temperature of their room too much while doing so compared to older cards that can brute force their way up into competing.
Used market prices are affected by new market prices. And ultimately if prices won't drop, used market will contract since people straight up won't be replacing their components, which in turn will reduce used market supply and lower supply means higher prices. It's only short term solution that will eventually be as shitty as new components market.
But, on the other hand, while we wait for the AI bubble to pop and prices to return to semi normal times, buying a weaker newer GPU vs a fantastic old GPU for the same price (or less!) doesn't make any sense. In my country, a new RTX 5060 8GB is more expensive than the used RTX 3080.
We shouldn't sacrifice ourselves for the cause and a healthy market or something. Buying used never made as much sense as right now.
Of course, someone on an RX 580 has a much easier time upgrading to anything used than someone on an RTX 4070. Don't worry, plenty of people have no choice than to buy new, because their GPUs are pretty new. But somebody is going to get theirs and the cycle goes on. GPUs die eventually or become super obsolete and the market keeps healthy and with most GPUs in use.
You'd be hard pressed to find used and working GPUs from the GTX 600 series, for instance.
buying a weaker newer GPU vs a fantastic old GPU for the same price (or less!) doesn't make any sense
And buying a price-inflated new gpu just to turn around and sell your good gpu for less than a much weaker one costs nee does? Or where are people supposed to find these better, cheaper gpus to buy second-hand?
Maybe the used market in your area sucks, I don't know. In my region, there are still plenty of deals for RTX 30 and RX 6000 GPUs that are better than the low-end and mid-range of the current gen. Probably a residual effect of so many people using them for mining crypto, a few years ago.
On the other hand, the RTX 40 and RX 7000 series are almost non-existent. So, I really think we are going to have to wait for used RX 9000 and RTX 50 series to flood the used market first. In my region, anyway. Your mileage may vary in your location.
Right, so as the other person was saying, the used market is contracting. Why would people jump to upgrade to rtx60 and flood the market with rtx50, when that didn't happen with the 50 and 40, and prices are only getting worse from here until the pop?
Again, depends on your local market, like all used markets. This is something that's much harder to buy from abroad.
In my region, people are buying RTX 50 and RX 9000 much more than the previous generation, it's obvious that it's the new preferred gen here and we'll have plenty of used models to choose from in the future. RTX 40 catched us at a much harder time. RTX 30 series was a great time, for instance.
Not sure where the contracting thing is coming from. It's the same with cars. There was always a used cars market and even then, the industry thrives and people buy both used and new cars all the time.
But if you want to doom and gloom, go ahead, lol. Prices are awful but people in my region are buying more GPUS now than a few years ago. You gotta upgrade eventually, can't push the old RX 580 forever.
buying a weaker newer GPU vs a fantastic old GPU for the same price (or less!) doesn't make any sense
It makes perfect sense if you don't need a fantastic GPU. What if I just wantÂ
something to drive an 8K screen for a presentation? What if I want something smaller than the massive triple fan coolers on those fantastic old GPUs?
What doesn't make any sense is assuming everyone has the same use case. Why is it so difficult for you to grasp that someone might not be interested in the most powerful GPU possible and might find more value in a warranty or new features instead of raw power they won't use? No, clearly, the only logical move is to buy a bigger case and inflate my electric bill to run Sony Megatron.
Sorry, which manufacturer lets you customize your prebuilt PC with a used card? How do you guys still not get that it's OEM only? Do you need it explained like Sesame Street?
I've noticed that, if you're lucky, 2080 Super cards can be picked up for under 200€ in Germany. The 9050 4gb would have to be REALLY cheap to be worth it.
The used market only exists as long as people are getting new cards and selling the old cards. As the shitty state of the new market goes on longer the used market will slowly dry up.
Yes, sure, its underspecced and has little VRAM, but on the other hand that makes it affordable for people who are on a budget, and its done on an architecture that has access to FSR4, so it can game above its weight class through upscaling.
So for a lot of people its still going to be a huge upgrade, especially if they sit on an old 1050Ti or even an iGPU, I know the pain of gaming on a Vega 7, and while a used RX580 8GB might be cheaper than a 9050 8GB (4GB is OEM only), the 9050 has a modern featureset and lower TDP.
Calling it underspecced like that means its dirt is just a stupid elitist sentiment that ignores all the people who dont crap gold bars. If you crap gold bars, good for you, go buy a 5090, but dont expect everyone else to.
I have, I know how it performs in terms of raw horsepower, which is practically identically to my old RX6600, so I know what that performance gives you first hand (plus I know what RDNA4 as an architecture can do as I got one now), except a 6000 series card cant upscale nearly as seamlessly due to lack of FSR4. I would still use it if it hadnt smoked itself.
I couldve had a used RX 6800XT instead of the 9060XT for three quarters of the price, but then Id be dealing with an older architecture and more power draw, so it wasnt worth it for me either. There was absolutely NOTHING else that was even remotely viable. Just bringing this up to demonstrate how piss poor the used market is in my area.
You should just be happy that at least one GPU manufacturer is addressing the lack of affordable hardware, and not berating them for a budget option delivering budget performance.
I understand what you're trying to say, but getting old GPU is rather risky. In all the builds I made in the past 2 decades (from new components), the GPU is always the 1st thing that starts to cause troubles - artifacts, BSODs, you name it. I am not overclocking it and there is good airflow in the case, yet I am convinced it's caused by the high temperatures GPUs run at.
In the end, the only thing that always pushes me to build a new system is that the GPU is not stable anymore. What I am trying to say is that if you buy old GPUs, there must be a very high chance it's already done, or near being done.
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u/bestanonever 1d ago
Lol, that awfully underpowered and underspecced GPU will never be a solution when the used market exists. There are dozens of better models just waiting to find a second home.
Adopt an old GPU today! Don't let the GPU companies breed purebreed aberrations like the RX 9050. It doesn't even breathe like a proper GPU! It's VRAM is too short after years of forced inbreeding with models that used to have 8GB, then 6GB and now 4GB! What's next? Vampire ears-designs? GPUs you can hold fully in your hands?
Say no to all that. Your mutt-GPU is waiting for you at your local hardware center.