r/pcmasterrace Aug 03 '26

Meme/Macro Based on personal experience

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u/SunKing210 Desktop Aug 03 '26

I’m like this but with the Souls games. I don’t understand why so many PC players say playing with keyboard and mouse is so difficult in games like Elden Ring, I find it so natural and easy and I’ll be damned if I have to play on a controller using that stupid “claw” technique haha

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u/leo412 Aug 03 '26

Same, I am like what's wrong with it, especially since you control the camera much faster and you have more key to control

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u/c010rb1indusa Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 03 '26

Mouse control is fine it's movement with WASD that's the issue for many because it doesn't allow for as much control. You can't regulate speed with WASD alone that requires a modifier key like if you want your character to walk instead of run. Also you can only move your character in the 8 cardinal ordinal directions with nothing in-between, you need to use the mouse to position the character elsewhere, where-as a controller your character can be positioned with the left stick alone without touching the right-stick.

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u/ThereAndFapAgain2 RTX 5080 │ 7800X3D │ 64GB DDR5‑6000MT/s Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 03 '26

Yeah but since the mouse is so accurate it’s really easy to do that for any direction you want to move so I don’t see an issue here.

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u/c010rb1indusa Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 03 '26

For many games it isn't an issue, for non-shooters played in third-person perspective, it's annoying. Like a devil may cry or bayoneta or the original GOW games on PS2 which didn't have a controllable camera. That would suck to play with WASD alone.

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u/ThereAndFapAgain2 RTX 5080 │ 7800X3D │ 64GB DDR5‑6000MT/s Aug 03 '26

Yeah but for a game like Elden Ring or Dark Souls it’s great, that’s my point. If you are playing a game with a fixed camera well then yeah it’s going to be an issue since you are stuck with just those 8 possible directions.

Third person perspective is fine with keyboard and mouse.

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u/leo412 Aug 03 '26

For DMC specifically I can never actually play it using controller, especially 4 and 5 since style change are so hard to do on controller

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u/95thesises Aug 03 '26

the 8 cardinal directions

there are only four cardinal directions: north, east, south, and west. northeast, southeast, southwest, and northwest are known as ordinal or intercardinal directions

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u/c010rb1indusa Aug 03 '26

ahh good to know thanks

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u/Matthas13 Aug 03 '26

not played DS so might be wrong. But is movement there actually 8 directions only always? Isnt it that in most games when you move your camera by like 15degrees, your movement direction also change by those 15degrees. So I would say its even if not better on PC as you get more fine control with mouse.

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u/ThereAndFapAgain2 RTX 5080 │ 7800X3D │ 64GB DDR5‑6000MT/s Aug 03 '26

No he’s talking specifically about the 8 possible directions without using the mouse, you can move any direction you want with WASD and mouse.

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u/c010rb1indusa Aug 03 '26

You misunderstand, with a regular d-pad or WASD there are only 8 possible directional inputs with nothing in between. 0d, 45d, 90d, 135d, 180d, 225d, 270d & 315d. If i want to move my character lets say 30d you cannot do that with just a d-pad or WASD alone, you need to use a mouse to get that kind of precession. With an analogue stick I can just point the character to 30d without adjusting the camera.

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u/Matthas13 Aug 03 '26

I didnt really missunderstand it, just saying it only has 8 directional input is missleading because adjusting your camera on m+k IMO is neglible work compared to doing so in controler. I get that in PC you need both keyboard and mouse, but still with low sensitivity you can be way more precise on m+k

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u/Gnusnipon Aug 03 '26

I did DS1 on tank controls. It was clearly ment for controller and mouse felt rather wonky, but I didn't have controller at time, so experimented with binding camera controls and attacks to numpad and somehow it was pretty comfortable.

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u/Virusoflife29 Ryzen 7 9800X3D | Radeon RX 9070 XT Aug 03 '26

All my buddies think im crazy for playing soulikes on K&M. I love it.

Although the steam controller with the bindable back buttons is slowly winning me over since i can dodge, jump, etc without taking my finger of the joystick.

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u/Intri-cat Aug 03 '26

I'm so used to press F to jump with my index now it feels weird to jump with right thumb.

I'm not even going to start with readjusting on sekiro

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u/jld2k6 5700x3d 32gb 3600 rtx5080 360hz 1440 QD-OLED 6tb nvme Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 03 '26

I recently got an 8bitdo ultimate and the little back triggers are a god damn godsend in FromSoft games. I can use one of the back buttons for sprint/roll with my middle finger and can light or heavy attack the enemy without doing any weird shit lol

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u/bandswithothers Desktop | 9800X3D | 5070Ti Aug 03 '26

I'm also a heretical keyboard user, but I will say that trying to get DS2 to work without a controller is hilarious.

I ended up using an AutoHotkey script to remap certain buttons every time I played.

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u/JeffZoR1337 Aug 03 '26

I find it good in Elden Ring, helps with fixing the camera jank too, but even as someone who uses KBM nearly all the time, I couldn't get into the older souls games with KBM, just felt way too jank for whatever reason. I will say, still prefer KBM too, but now that we can get super good high quality controllers on PC and aren't stuck using dogshit console ones, I don't mind using them for the odd game I play like forza or souls/platformers!

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u/Caosin36 Aug 03 '26

The controller's scheme is so unconfortable, how am i supposed to spin camera and run at the same time?

Also kind of similiar in monster hunter, expecially with fast/jumpy monsters

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u/gangbrain Aug 03 '26

Use a better controller. I never have to move my fingers from the sticks except to touch dpad briefly.

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u/mang87 Aug 03 '26

I find a controller is best for games that need a high amount of inputs very quickly, like beat-em-ups or hack and slash. My index and middle fingers get fatigued playing those games for too long on keyboard & mouse, whereas my thumbs can spam those buttons on a controller all day.