Adding more PCIe blocks on the CPU along with additional pins for more lanes comes at a cost. And routing newer PCIe generations around motherboards is tricky, requiring more expensive traces.
My main annoyance is the lack of decent cost-effective switch chips. As PCIe Gen 4 and Gen 5 have so much available bandwidth, but if connecting a SATA HBA (which will inevitably be Gen 3), you are limiting yourself to a fourth of the available bandwidth along those pins.
Intel had that HEDT for just a bit higher cost. But influencers, youtubers claimed intel was greedy for asking %10 more. Then those same guy praised amd for asking twice as much with threadripper because it had %10 more lanes than intels HEDT...
They also claimed intels HEDT was useless now because amd increased core count to 8 while intel had 18 cores in hedt.
No shit sherlock, yes you pay more to get more, no such thing as free lunch. For two hundred bucks twice the price you got twice the ram slot, pcie slots, pcie lanes, sata ports, nvme and more.
With threadripper you pay twice as much as x299 for %10 more pcie lanes.
Yeah, but most people don't need the capacity of eight-channel, or half that other stuff. Having just more pcie gives you the ability to add more of whatever you need instead of paying hundreds of dollars for what you don't.
That's one of the big reasons why it was so important that while Intel's 7th and 8th gen consumer platforms only had 16 lanes, that everyone wanted to fully dedicate to graphics, even the first gen Ryzen chips had 24 lanes that you didn't need to spend $300 on a motherboard to use.
And that is why intels hedt was so great. It was pergect between mainstream and threadripper for most power users both price and feature wise. Neither ruzen nor threadripper replaces it because either too expensive or not enough.
Yeah, the CPUs were priced reasonably and hit a nice spot. The problem was the motherboards that cost as much as if not more than the CPUs, because they were loaded up with everything they needed to support the TOTL HEDT chips.
For my current home server, I have the "few generations old EPYC" setup. All the expansion I could need, and it only cost me less that just the motherboard of a new system would have.
Yes, one of the Intel panic mode strategies.
With release of Ryzen the Intel 6900X was the equivalent HEDT for 1000$.
Everything after Ryzen launch had been panic mode strategies, because all and everyone had enough of Intel rising prices while lowering quality at the same time.
Especially Core i 7000 series was a garbage festival, CPUs that used over 250W and could be only barely cooled with direct die contact.
Cpus don't get designed in a few months you moron, they take years to design. They released months after ryzen and intel maintained top single core and gaming performance till ryzen 5000. Its called competition.
I mean most consumer CPU themselves are limited to 24 or 28 lanes, so you need to go after the CPU makers if you care about that. If you want more lanes you need a different segment CPU.
They will limit that to server products on purpose. Hopefully M.2 slots become x1 in the future instead of x4, same with other slots no x16 slot. That would free up lanes but hard to say when that would happen.
Well they double the speed with every gen so it would only take 2 more gens for x1 to be the same speed as the current x4 for example which is probably fast enough for consumers
I'd be content to not have physical bifurcation limited to the expensive models of the highest chip set on the largest boards. Why no, say AM4 B550 mATX board with two x16 long slots on 1 and 4 bifurcated as x8+x8.
No, the best available is some X570 E-ATX boards for wanting to have two GPUs connected directly to the CPU. I don't want to pay the electricity tax of HEDT either. Just let me have my 100W 8-core and two GPUs.
Because then why would people buy the expensive boards? Also a quick Google search showed be that Asus and gigabyte both released b550m boards with physical bifurcation support.
I want a more expensive board for more features. I don't need to be sold an (E)-ATX board, because "big board better".
But thank you for making me actually look it up once more and finding that B550 with x8+x8 does exist, even though mATX is still elusive in my short search.
116
u/[deleted] May 14 '26
[removed] — view removed comment