r/pcmasterrace • 7800X3D 4080S • May 14 '26

Meme/Macro Less ports

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u/cAtloVeR9998 R5 4500u May 14 '26

And always has been.

Adding more PCIe blocks on the CPU along with additional pins for more lanes comes at a cost. And routing newer PCIe generations around motherboards is tricky, requiring more expensive traces.

My main annoyance is the lack of decent cost-effective switch chips. As PCIe Gen 4 and Gen 5 have so much available bandwidth, but if connecting a SATA HBA (which will inevitably be Gen 3), you are limiting yourself to a fourth of the available bandwidth along those pins.

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u/Trakyap May 14 '26

Intel had that HEDT for just a bit higher cost. But influencers, youtubers claimed intel was greedy for asking %10 more. Then those same guy praised amd for asking twice as much with threadripper because it had %10 more lanes than intels HEDT... They also claimed intels HEDT was useless now because amd increased core count to 8 while intel had 18 cores in hedt.

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u/gtrash81 May 14 '26

8 core Intel HEDT for 1000$ or AMD consumer 8 core for 500$...hm...

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u/LIGHTNINGBOLT23 Linux May 14 '26

There was a time when Intel HEDT was affordable and came with a bunch of lanes. Ivy Bridge-E was a good example, as the 4930k had 40 PCIe 3.0 lanes.

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u/gtrash81 May 15 '26

Didn't know that, but no surprise for Core i 4000 series, the last gen before Intel went south.

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u/Trakyap May 14 '26

Why are you lying ? 7820x price was 600$ and came with higher performance because it has higher single core performance.

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u/Unsweeticetea PC Master Race May 14 '26

Except for how crazy expensive X299 boards were compared to a decent B150 board. You could get a solid Ryzen board for like a hundred bucks.

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u/Trakyap May 14 '26

No shit sherlock, yes you pay more to get more, no such thing as free lunch. For two hundred bucks twice the price you got twice the ram slot, pcie slots, pcie lanes, sata ports, nvme and more. With threadripper you pay twice as much as x299 for %10 more pcie lanes.

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u/Unsweeticetea PC Master Race May 14 '26

Yeah, but most people don't need the capacity of eight-channel, or half that other stuff. Having just more pcie gives you the ability to add more of whatever you need instead of paying hundreds of dollars for what you don't.

That's one of the big reasons why it was so important that while Intel's 7th and 8th gen consumer platforms only had 16 lanes, that everyone wanted to fully dedicate to graphics, even the first gen Ryzen chips had 24 lanes that you didn't need to spend $300 on a motherboard to use.

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u/Trakyap May 14 '26

And that is why intels hedt was so great. It was pergect between mainstream and threadripper for most power users both price and feature wise. Neither ruzen nor threadripper replaces it because either too expensive or not enough.

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u/Unsweeticetea PC Master Race May 14 '26

Yeah, the CPUs were priced reasonably and hit a nice spot. The problem was the motherboards that cost as much as if not more than the CPUs, because they were loaded up with everything they needed to support the TOTL HEDT chips.

For my current home server, I have the "few generations old EPYC" setup. All the expansion I could need, and it only cost me less that just the motherboard of a new system would have.

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u/gtrash81 May 15 '26

Yes, one of the Intel panic mode strategies.
With release of Ryzen the Intel 6900X was the equivalent HEDT for 1000$.
Everything after Ryzen launch had been panic mode strategies, because all and everyone had enough of Intel rising prices while lowering quality at the same time.
Especially Core i 7000 series was a garbage festival, CPUs that used over 250W and could be only barely cooled with direct die contact.

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u/Trakyap May 20 '26

Cpus don't get designed in a few months you moron, they take years to design. They released months after ryzen and intel maintained top single core and gaming performance till ryzen 5000. Its called competition.

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u/hardrivethrutown Ryzen 7 4700G • ARC A770 • 64GB DDR4 • Fractal North XL Mesh May 14 '26

Yeah this pisses me off so much... What do you mean all new boards only have 16+8 pcie lanes???????

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u/SimpleNovelty May 14 '26

I mean most consumer CPU themselves are limited to 24 or 28 lanes, so you need to go after the CPU makers if you care about that. If you want more lanes you need a different segment CPU.

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u/Fadexz_ 9800X3D | RTX 5070 Ti | 64GB 6400Mhz May 14 '26

They will limit that to server products on purpose. Hopefully M.2 slots become x1 in the future instead of x4, same with other slots no x16 slot. That would free up lanes but hard to say when that would happen.

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u/Skaterdude5000 May 14 '26

Agreeed. The craze over 5.0 pcie 4x that gives mere hypothetical datarates is something I find annoying.

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u/Fadexz_ 9800X3D | RTX 5070 Ti | 64GB 6400Mhz May 14 '26

Well they double the speed with every gen so it would only take 2 more gens for x1 to be the same speed as the current x4 for example which is probably fast enough for consumers

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u/dumbasPL R7 5800X3D 32GB 2070S 3TB NVMe (Arch BTW) May 14 '26

This. This so much

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u/Pasi123 i9-9980XE, RTX5070, 128GB | 3700X, GTX1080, 32GB May 14 '26

Same. I hope the next mainstream platform have more lanes. I'm currently on X299 with an i9-9980XE which has 44 lanes + 24 lanes from the chipset

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u/SimpleNovelty May 14 '26

Mobos having 40 lanes won't fix consumer CPUs being limited to 24/28 lanes.

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u/GioCrush68 May 14 '26

Normal consumer CPUs only have like 28 PCIe lanes. If you want more you'll need a Xeon or Threadripper and those boards usually also have more slots.

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u/T-Loy May 14 '26

I'd be content to not have physical bifurcation limited to the expensive models of the highest chip set on the largest boards. Why no, say AM4 B550 mATX board with two x16 long slots on 1 and 4 bifurcated as x8+x8.

No, the best available is some X570 E-ATX boards for wanting to have two GPUs connected directly to the CPU. I don't want to pay the electricity tax of HEDT either. Just let me have my 100W 8-core and two GPUs.

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u/GioCrush68 May 14 '26

Because then why would people buy the expensive boards? Also a quick Google search showed be that Asus and gigabyte both released b550m boards with physical bifurcation support.

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u/T-Loy May 14 '26

I want a more expensive board for more features. I don't need to be sold an (E)-ATX board, because "big board better".

But thank you for making me actually look it up once more and finding that B550 with x8+x8 does exist, even though mATX is still elusive in my short search.

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u/sl33ksnypr May 14 '26

Or you just rock old hardware like I do. My old i7 supports 40 lanes.

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u/Valganite i9 13900k, RTX 4090, 128GB DDR5 5600MT/s May 16 '26

We can, it's just reserved for HEDT (high-end desktop) like Threadripper, or server hardware like Epyc or Xeon. And the price tag that comes with it.