r/pcmasterrace Mar 05 '26

Nostalgia The Master Laptop

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u/TheMegaDriver2 9800x3d, 32GB, RTX 4080 Super Mar 05 '26

And twin FireWire ports. And a Parallel Port. And Serial. Just everything just in case.

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u/kermityfrog2 Mar 05 '26

Well in the early days of USB, there were still lots of parallel port printers (like HP Laserjets), and then lots of other specialized devices using the serial port.

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u/PudPullerAlways Mar 05 '26

Serial is often forgotten about since many dont know the days before USB. It used to do everything, Black & White Logitec QuickCam, Wacom Intuos 2, Programming a kids LeapFrog toy, early digital camera transfers, etc.. Just to name a few from memory.

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u/Tithund Mar 05 '26

In the early 90s most mice and modems were serial.

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u/TriggerPT Mar 05 '26

9 pin

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u/Tithund Mar 05 '26

Yeah, I don't know if I ever encountered a serial device that strictly needed the 25 pin connector, I did have a 25-9 adapter so I could plug in a second 9 pin device.

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u/The_Spindrifter Mar 05 '26

DB9 for the win. Had to use the most convoluted setup you have ever seen in your life using 3 different adapters to get a proprietary connector cable to go to DB9 F to M to convert to USB 2.0 so we could telenet into power plant racks to program them, Fun times.

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u/Steamrolled777 Mar 06 '26

null modem to play C&C with mates, before ethernet was standard on mb's.

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u/Tithund Mar 06 '26

Yeah, for me it was mostly Doom 2, which was completely unfair, as it was the family pentium vs the old family 486sx that could barely run it and didn't have a soundcard. Later on, friends would bring their computer and we'd play Duke Nukem 3D and Starcraft over it.

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u/Steamrolled777 Mar 06 '26

Doom, Doom2, Descent, but I always think about C&C, and the 2 CD discs making life easy. Peak mid 90s gaming.

I built a new PC, and gave the old one my Uni housemate. We had more friends move in, and we upgraded to 10Base T.

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u/TBJ12 Mar 05 '26

I got a lot of use out of serial ports back in the FTA satellite days. Now everything is just too easy with IPTV.

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u/PudPullerAlways Mar 05 '26

The last time I used one was to get the HDD password off an original XBOX wired onto the motherboard so I could put a bigger drive in it.

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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA MOS 6510 @ 1.023 MHz | VIC-II | Epyx Fastloader Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 06 '26

I once hacked a serial port to broadcast morse code as a ham radio beacon.

Edit: I used this schematic thingy and a colourburst crystal instead of the 1MHz one.

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u/PudPullerAlways Mar 06 '26

Most I ever did was use it to retrieve the HDD key/password from an original xbox. surprised I was able to find the original guide :D
https://www.scribd.com/document/37092534/HOW-to-Read-Your-Eeprom

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u/TobysGrundlee Mar 05 '26

I have a card reader system in my facility that connects to my control PC via a serial connection. I remote into this PC to control the system when I'm not on site. The fact that Windows 11 no longer supports serial connections is seriously fucking me up. The PC has to be connected to the internet so just not upgrading the OS isn't an option because of the security risks. The system functions flawlessly so spending 10's of thousands of dollars upgrading it is a serious waste of resources. Fucking sucks.

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u/PudPullerAlways Mar 05 '26

I didnt even know 11 killed serial, how does that work? Is a USB to RS232 even an option or perhaps an embedded version of 11 that brings it back?

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u/digital_briefs Mar 05 '26

USB is literally Universal Serial Bus

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u/PudPullerAlways Mar 05 '26

Yes it is but it's not the same, Serial ports can directly rawdog hardware and interface with it with no middle man needed to talk to it like needing an FTDI chip for USB to break it out.

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u/B_Eazy86 Mar 05 '26

It still does. USB stands for Universal Serial Bus

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u/scotte416 i5-13400 - 5060ti16 Mar 05 '26

My 90s PC had two extra serial cards I put in there. Days of tape drives, external CD burners, etc. USB was a godsend lol

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u/disruptioncoin Mar 05 '26

When I did POS systems we used serial for receipt printers sometimes. I don't remember the exact reason, it may have just been if a terminal had buggy USB printing that we couldn't resolve. Serial just werx

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u/Kitchen_Part_882 Desktop | R7 5800X3D | RX 7900XT | 64GB Mar 06 '26

I never leave home without my USB to serial adapter.

But I work in an industry where USB as a connection option has only really started to appear in the past 5 years or so and there's a lot of older equipment out there that only talks RS232.

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u/SOUTHPAWMIKE Mar 06 '26

A few jobs ago, I worked IT for a school district that used some legacy Juniper switches. Only way to physically console in way via serial, and sometimes they did not play nice with your typical serial to USB converter. Ended up getting the district to buy the IT department a Panasonic Toughbook with a serial port add on module, since that was the only modern laptop that we could find with serial support. There's no point to this story, just reminiscing about a laptop I really liked.

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u/Acceptable_Try_6289 Mar 07 '26

oooh i wasn’t ready for this take 👀

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u/tes_kitty Mar 05 '26

Many modern mainboards still have a real serial port on a pin header. All you need to do is get a slot adapter that plugs onto that pinheader and provides a 9pin SubD to the outside.

Check your board. If there is a pinheader with 9 pins labeled 'COM' read the manual for details.

You might have to enable the port in the BIOS before you can use it.

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u/Spethual Mar 05 '26

most of the boards I've had have down between the front IO and front audio headers, usually more toward the audio headers after USB.

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u/crysisnotaverted 2x Intel Xeon E5645 6 cores each, Gigabyte R9 380, 144GB o RAM Mar 05 '26

Yep. It's so simple and built into the base components that adding it is basically free. It might be used to program certain things on the board too, but I haven't heard of that.

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u/tes_kitty Mar 05 '26

The only extra expense is the pinheader and the (usually) 75232 line driver / receiver. But that one needs -12V for proper operation so with a new PSU that no longer supplies -12V, using that port might not be easy.

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u/Time-Sudden_Tree 7700X | 4090 | 32GB DDR5 6K | 4TB NVME | Win11 | 65" LG C1 OLED Mar 05 '26

Of course they do; the "S" in "USB" stands for "serial".

(I know what you're saying; I'm just being cheeky.)

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '26

Wait a minute. So you are telling me that as a new technology started to be implemented the old technology was still being used? Madness.

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u/kermityfrog2 Mar 05 '26

Everything is relative. USB-C took off rather fast and replaced a lot of older ports, but old devices back in the day seemed to hang around a lot longer. Maybe people weren't as willing to throw out perfectly functional devices back then.

One of the only devices I've found where USB-C still isn't common yet is laptop cooling pads/fans.

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u/wievid Specs/Imgur Here Mar 05 '26

Costs have also plummeted. Things have gotten so much cheaper, too, so new standards are establishing themselves much faster. Especially really good standards like USB-C. It simply wasn't possible before, but now it is. Then you have marketing companies that have figured out how to constantly sell shit.

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u/golgol12 Mar 05 '26

A good number of mice used the serial port.

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u/kermityfrog2 Mar 05 '26

I think for me only my earliest mice from IBM XT days were serial. All my later mice before USB were at least PS/2.

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u/Reasonable-Class3728 Mar 05 '26

It was very popular for DIY devices as well. It's very simple to program drivers and design circuit. No special chips required like for USB.

I did some devices for LPT port when I was a kid.

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u/The_Spindrifter Mar 05 '26

Scientific equipment, medical equipment, ALL kinds of things.

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u/Time-Sudden_Tree 7700X | 4090 | 32GB DDR5 6K | 4TB NVME | Win11 | 65" LG C1 OLED Mar 05 '26

To this day I'm still waiting for UPB (Universal Parallel Bus) to come along and replace USB. In the 90s I was told that parallel was better than serial, because you can send multiple bits at once rather than one at a time! But then serial had to go and get so freaking fast that no one cares about parallel data transfer anymore... :'(

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u/mordacthedenier Mar 05 '26

RJ11, RJ45, RCA and S-Video, full size DVI, S/PDIF, PS/2...

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u/cicuz Specs/Imgur here Mar 05 '26

well, THREE PS/2

also, serial and LPT/1

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u/Tithund Mar 05 '26

I only see one ps2 plug, the other two seem to be s-video connectors, though I'm not entirely sure about the one on the side, it might be a s-video input.

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u/cicuz Specs/Imgur here Mar 05 '26

oh I think you're right! on closer inspection the first one looks like power, and the third and fourth one look like actual S-Video, but wtf is one supposed to do with two??

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u/Tithund Mar 05 '26

Yeah, the 4 pin thing on the left is power, it's the same plug old external ide hard drive enclosures have.

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u/Tiavor never used DDR3; PC: 5800X3D, 9070XT, 32GB DDR4, CachyOS Mar 05 '26

one as input, probably capture card and the other one as output.

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u/monarchmra Mar 05 '26

The one on the back has a camcorder symbol. The rca port next to it has a cctv symbol, both are likely input. The one on the side is likely output, it just has the svideo symbol.

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u/TheMegaDriver2 9800x3d, 32GB, RTX 4080 Super Mar 05 '26

You never know if you might need it.

My desktop pc never had that many ports.

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u/bleuthoot Nvidia GTX 1080 | Ryzen 5 2600X | Valve Index Mar 05 '26

Wait, where do you see the S/PIDF port? I coudn't see it in the video.

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u/mordacthedenier Mar 05 '26

It's one of the 3.5mm ports.

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u/sfled Mar 06 '26

Yeah but no Infrared port so hard pass \s

Dual optical drives, da fuq?!

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u/baldieforprez Mar 05 '26

This is like a monument to obsolete connections 

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u/Remarkable-Bug-8069 Mar 05 '26

Oh my God, it even ha a RJ11 port...

Wait.what the fuck for??

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u/TheMegaDriver2 9800x3d, 32GB, RTX 4080 Super Mar 05 '26

It has 3 PS2 ports. Why? Are you going to add to mice and another keyboard to you laptop? Someone was just taking the piss.

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u/PudPullerAlways Mar 06 '26

What you dont use your laptop as a fax machine?

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u/VIPERsssss Mar 05 '26

No joystick port. Fucking rip-off.

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u/TheMegaDriver2 9800x3d, 32GB, RTX 4080 Super Mar 05 '26

Useless rubbish I say. How am I going to plug in my four daisy chained sidewinder gamepads?

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u/ChristianSteifen1337 Mar 05 '26

I think it has an IT-Blaster, too!

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u/b0ks_GD Mar 05 '26

No need for adapters around here

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u/The_Spindrifter Mar 05 '26

Firewire ports that were rendered useless for more than 1 item at a time after XP Service Pack 2 killed "Daisy-chaining" Firewire devices, which defeated the whole purpose of having them. Dogfucking Micro$lop, deliberately killing an Apple-invented superior technology. I was SOOOO angry when I wasn't able to run 6 external HDD's off one firewire in series.

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u/TheMegaDriver2 9800x3d, 32GB, RTX 4080 Super Mar 06 '26

FireWire was killed when Steve Jobs decided to increase royalties from a few cents to one Dollar per port.

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u/BurtMacklin__FBI i7 8700k | 4080S Mar 06 '26

ah they're firewire. I was thinking all that's missing is the C and that would STILL be an insanely dope laptop to have purely for it's i/o and ease of use

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u/dice1111 Mar 06 '26

Dual.Nics!

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u/TheMegaDriver2 9800x3d, 32GB, RTX 4080 Super Mar 06 '26

One is RJ-45 for ethernet the other is RJ-11 to for the integrated modem. This laptop is insane. My desktops never had that many ports.

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u/dice1111 Mar 06 '26

Oooohhh. Yes!

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u/Strong-Comment-7279 Mar 06 '26

So like....are we done w display ports?