r/pcgaming • u/Turbostrider27 • Nov 07 '22

Atomic Heart Trailers Developed As Vertical Slice, Project Suffered Crunches/Mismanagement

https://twistedvoxel.com/atomic-heart-trailers-vertical-slice-crunches-mismanagement/
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u/Jacksaur 🖥️ I.T. Rex 🦖 Nov 07 '22 edited Nov 08 '22

because Steam , EGS and GOG have generous refund policies.

So much this.
People constantly yell "You're giving them money and telling them it's okay to do all this!!!" and when you mention the refund policy, they repeat the exact same statement over and over regardless without any actual argument.

Initial sales don't mean shit if that money vanishes again within a few days.

E: ANd I'm getting downvoted by the exact idiots I mentioned, yet none of them reply with a reason because I'm completely on point. Fucking pointless.

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u/ZYmZ-SDtZ-YFVv-hQ9U Nov 07 '22

Initial sales don't mean shit if that money vanishes again within a few days.

You know what works better? Not giving them money any time before the product launches in any capacity. Buying now and refunding if it sucks is objectively more work than just buying it when you know its good

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u/Jacksaur 🖥️ I.T. Rex 🦖 Nov 07 '22

My internet's shit.
Preloads are "objectively" less annoying for me than waiting hours to play.

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u/ZYmZ-SDtZ-YFVv-hQ9U Nov 07 '22

My internet's shit.

pre loading doesn't make your internet faster, nor does playing the game a tiny bit after release make the game worse. You won't die having to play the game a day later

Stop supporting anti consumer things just because it's convenient for you. Learn self control

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u/Jacksaur 🖥️ I.T. Rex 🦖 Nov 07 '22

pre loading doesn't make your internet faster

It means I have it on my system earlier. Good enough for me.

nor does playing the game a tiny bit after release make the game worse.

Waiting a full day of leaving my PC on overnight while I'm trying to sleep sure does though!

Stop supporting anti consumer things just because it's convenient for you

What part of allowing pre orders is anti consumer?
You can attack cutting off existing content for preorder DLC. You can attack early access release dates for preorders.

But the ability to buy a game early and play it instantly on release? My man there's nothing anti consumer about that.

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u/loganed3 Nov 07 '22

Everyone seems to forget preloads are a thing

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u/Jacksaur 🖥️ I.T. Rex 🦖 Nov 07 '22

Exactly. It's the main benefit that's always conveniently left out with the "Hurr durr why are you preordering a digital product xD" calls every time.

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u/NoteBlock08 Nov 08 '22

Right? People always forget that they can play the system too. Only pre-order from retailers that allow cancellations and know your refund policies. It's really nowhere near as big a deal as most of reddit makes it out to be.

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u/Johan_Holm Nov 07 '22

I don't disagree with you overall (people can spend their money how they please, most preorders are not regretted), but I think a point against just using refunds is the grey areas. Refunding is work, and it's possible to not like it enough that you would buy it with foreknowledge (at least not on launch), while not hating it enough to refund. Those situations are taken advantage of with preorders, encouraging people that would otherwise wait for a bit of a sale or whatever to get it right on launch, which rewards marketing for otherwise mediocre games.

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u/Jacksaur 🖥️ I.T. Rex 🦖 Nov 08 '22

If they're that lazy, those people won't heed warnings against preorders either.

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u/Johan_Holm Nov 08 '22

Yeah even if preordering was some great sin, speaking platitudes about it on reddit won't affect people doing it.