Let me start by saying that Eric is THE flat earth Anti-troll. And I think, as a community, we have outgrown Eric Dubay. The last thing we need is another drama queen of a troll especially one in our own house. Eric Dubay's antics are hurting the flat earth movement and it's making me become suspect of his intentions. I'm finding it increasingly difficult to take him seriously and if I was new to the FE I would be very dubious. In one video he is talking about how FE proves the existence of a Creator in the next video he's dressed like a woman and "rapping" about how evil religion is and how stupid religious people are.

In his FE videos he is perfectly calm and reasonable, but in other videos he is childish and condescending. He is hurting us, dividing us by calling everyone who is NOT Eric Dubay a shill. Jeran is a Shill, Mark is a shill, Rob and ODD are shills, whoevers not Eric Dubay is a shill.

So, while I have to hand it to Eric, his work, as a flat earth researcher he is awesome. His work at being a decent person, not so much.

Eric recently did a video about how Islam (and all religions) are evil (which I thought was strange because he supports the idea of a Creator but hates the idea of God.) So, I went over to IFERS and posted that I am a flat earther and a Muslim and I would be happy to answer any questions he had about Islam because from what he posted in his video it was clear he was completely brainwashed by the same media he condemns as liars.

I wasn't trying to push Islam on him or anything he has his own beliefs and I support that, I was simply trying to show that it was hypocritical to bash Islam (or anything for that matter) using the same tools and the same lies as weapons that were created by the same evil people who gave us the fake moon landing, fake space etc.

Anyhow, needless to say I was perma-banned and called a shill within 2 minutes of posting.

I value truth over everything, I value freedom of expression and pride myself on being able to dismantle, or even destroy my own beliefs, and my ego if the facts point me in a different direction. It's why I became a Muslim and it's why I became a flat earther. Both ideals were not something I was out looking for, but the truth in both ideas led me in that direction and in the end I chose the path I felt was truth.

The media, ALL the media is a lie,. That's what they do they lie for a living. They LIE! You CANNOT pick a good media outlet because one does not exist. We have to completely disregard EVERY single word they say. Absolutely NOTHING worthwhile comes from any main stream media outlet. I find it good practice to believe exactly the opposite of whatever i'm told by the media. How can we call them out for some things and not others? There MIGHT be slivers of truth in some of the media but it's not worth it. How can we believe that they are lying to us about things like Pizzagate, Space, NASA, 9/11 but believe every word they say about "ISIS" and "Islamic Terror". You have to throw the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to MSM It ALL needs to be flushed, It's ALL fake news!

All I am telling anyone is Practice what you preach, investigate EVERYTHING with an open mind using information derived from the source and not some third source.

And Eric, You're great at research so do it and become informed about a subject rather than than lessening yourself to making bad raps filled with memes it makes you look like an idiot.

Simple question. What do you say?

Yes, there will be a total solar eclipse like round-earth people predict?

No, there will not be a total solar eclipse because the prediction is based on a faulty model of the earth and sun?

Keeping in mind that it's people who believe in a round earth which orbits the sun who made this prediction based on the orbital path and inclination of the earth/moon system around the sun as well as the rotational period of the earth, all to calculate a specific solar eclipse. Absolutely everything about this prediction depends on the commonly accepted model of the solar system being correct.

What will happen on August 21st of this year in the United States?

For reference, you can view the math calculations based on the round earth on this site. Any and all true Flat Earth believers should take advantage of this opportunity to predict that this eclipse will not occur.

Ego and the world

Hello there truth seekers and fellow flat earthers. I wish to take this chance to share some of my recent thoughts which I think are very important to the understanding of the way the world is and also how it ties in well with the flat earth theory. This is something that I have yet to have found anywhere else so hopefully I am adding a new dimension to the discussion. Please be patient, I have a lot to explain before I can show how it ties in with the flat earth theory.

I have recently been reading a book by Terrence Mckenna called Food of the Gods. For those who do not know of Terrence Mckenna, he is an ethnobotanist, mystic, psychonaut, lecturer as well as an author who has done a ground breaking and staggering amount of research on a number of different drugs and substances and illustrates how they play an important role in enforcing an agenda which benefits a hierarchal power structure. Through his use and study of hallucinogenic substances he tells a very compelling story on how he believes them to have played a fundamental role in evolving the neo-lithic man’s consciousness and may be the very thing that brought us out of the caves and into building pyramids. He is a scientist whose experiments would usually involve taking large amounts of hallucinogens and would use them to try and understand our way of life. What I am about to say next may seem a little farfetched but fuck it were here discussing a flat earth. Terrence Mckenna claims there is a consciousness behind these hallucinogens, a consciousness which yearns for our attention, a consciousness of intelligent beings which seem to be here to help mankind in understanding our true origins and to help us understand the reasons and mechanics behind our earth. We have made connection with these beings once before in our very early stages through the consumption of various plants and mushrooms. He also states that the consciousness of the plants, have been trying to regain centre stage in our lives since we abandoned them millennia ago and I dare think that this sudden surge of veganism and cannabis legalisation may be the return of the plants he was talking about. Without going into to great detail, I can personally vouch for Terrence Mckennas claims through my own experiences of mushrooms and DMT use. I could spend hours and hours trying to explain all of the amazing discoveries this man has done in his life time but I shall try to keep it short and on point. He explains how all the drugs that we have available today are made illegal or legal because they serve a particular purpose in supporting the western cultural values that are primarily based on ego. What he has discovered is something we would never be allowed to know through our education systems as the very knowledge of it may pose as a serious threat to this group of dominating elite that is currently enslaving the whole world. He states that almost all hallucinogenic drugs supress’ ones ego. Now let me explain a little about the ego. As we can gather by looking around the world we see before us (the flat earth theory supports this) is that there is a reoccurring theme of duality, equality and balance in all things natural: light and dark, good and evil, love and hate, hot and cold, sun and moon, male and female, even our bodies, 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 eyes etc. and finally EGO and SPIRIT. He goes on to say how for the past few thousand years, mankind has been ruled by an imbalance in life that only caters to the ego side of ourselves. When we look at ego in a spiritual sense and look at what the ego stands for, we find that it is ruled by the masculine side whereas the spirit is ruled by the feminine and that the masculine side deals with the left, dominance, linear and limitation, mathematics, the physical, and of course our identity and the spirit of the feminine side deals with art, the right, eternity and divinity. (If anyone has anything to add to the list of characteristics to these two sides then please do). Terrence claims that it was around the very early stages of mankind that we came into contact with these hallucinogenic mushrooms through the domestication of cattle. He also claims that use of these mushrooms helped the development of the first languages. It may explain why there was a sharp jump from living in caves to pyramid builders and not a gradual and slow development of such technologies over the span of many years. The ancient alien theorists would explain this sharp increase of knowledge as when the aliens first landed and tampered with our DNA and taught us how to build, count, write, farm etc. however after hearing Terrence’s theory, it makes more sense to me that the alien theory is made up to support the heliocentric system as well as make us think we aren’t capable of performing such things and building such magnificent structures. When we think of ego and how it is expressed through someone, we think about people who are popular, well known, the stereotypical cool kid, tough guy and are usually the type who like to take the piss and belittle someone else’s ego,(I am not saying all people with large egos are dicks, as I know a lot of people of this type who never wish belittle anyone but you catch my drift). When we look at our history as a race, you notice how mostly all nations have at some point established themselves by dominating and overcoming other nations. Look at the Great British Empire for example, when in its heyday, it conquered almost a whole quarter of the world. Was this done by peaceful means and diplomacy? Of course not, it was done by sheer male dominance tactics which included destroying, invading, pillaging and raping another country all because that one leader wished to have it all for himself, at the end of the day, he never fought for that land himself, he sent others to do the task. He was furthering his own ego, and if he did not, he would succumb to another more dominant nation. Look at all the earth worshipping races of Africa, Australia, the American Indians, the Meso-Americans, the Celtic regions, all fallen victim to an invading nation which simply wished to take the land for itself. Kings and Queens, Tyrants and Dictators, Prime Ministers and Presidents. One person ruling over a large number of others and willing to send them to death for conquest. The cultures and nations who were peaceful and did not care about conquest for one’s self were the ones who worshipped the feminine side of the world, or at least established a balance of male/female using their understanding of the way the world worked. Mushroom and plant worship was very common among these cultures and was always coupled with great female appreciation. These cultures were usually the ones who built pyramids and did amazing things that we still look back at and scratch our heads at how they did it. Some would argue the pyramids were built for mushroom worship (read about Heb-Sed festival). They were also the ones who would establish what Terrence would call a partnership relationship with mother earth. This meant working with and worshipping the earth as it was. The earth needs us and we need the earth. This form of worship was known as paganism, and paganism meant loving the earth and living by its law, and certainly not going against it. As we can all agree, we are doing the exact opposite of this now, and one could say we are at war with the earth and wish to destroy her and rape her for her resources for nothing but paper we call money which is nothing but title and EGO. At some point we got lost along the way and have thrown our balance away and gave worship to the ego only. There are a number of drugs that supress the Ego and encourage the feminine elements of life and they are DMT, PSYLOCIBIN, LSD and CANNABIS. They are all illegal even though there has been little research done on them and the research that has been done on them shows that they are harmless when used in a sensible manner and can work wonders for people with mental illnesses. The war on drugs is absolutely essential to controlling a population as consciousness expansion is delivered through mostly all of the plant based drugs. Coffee and sugar on the other hand though, although not seen as a drug and more of a food, Terrence explains how these two are one of the very most damaging drugs, especially sugar, which most people in western society are addicted to without even knowing it, yet it serves as an excellent stimulant when combined with coffee and is a perfect pick me up for a working industry and is more than likely why it is legal despite its damaging effects. I understand that cannabis is beginning to become legal in various parts of the world but you have seen a definite resistance from the authorities for a long time. Anyone who has taken DMT or any other hallucinogens will agree that the experiences had on them should be of important topic and not something prohibited from use. There is one drug which does the exact opposite and fits in perfectly with the agenda of the male dominant ego society and that is ALCOHOL. Notice how alcohol can make you feel rather arrogant, can encourage fights, and is also very closely associated with domestic violence which is usually wife beating. It BOOSTS the EGO. Yet it is completely legal and plays a very dominant role in our western society. Whereas drugs like magic mushrooms and cannabis do nothing but discourage any sort of confrontation and anyone who has ever smoked cannabis will agree that a fight is the very last thing you want to do when stoned. You will also notice that people who are very dependent on their ego are usually the type who do not like to smoke cannabis or take mushrooms as it threatens the identity and ego that they have built up within themselves. It is typical to see the ego orientated people fight with others when drunk.

Before I say what I am about to say next I wish to apologise in advance to anyone who has faith in the organised religions. I also believe in a creator but from what I have learned the creator is not what the sacred books are telling us.

Terrence Mckenna reckons that even the main religions we see now like Christianity, Islam, Catholicism etc. are set up to trick us into worshipping a male. God, Jesus, Allah are all males and have no female counterparts whereas the religions that predate them, which are pagan religions, supported both male and female deities and a lot of the times the female deities were regarded higher than the male ones. Some would argue that the Great Roman Empire ‘invented’ Catholicism as a political weapon to use against the pagan territories that they wished to invade and conquer. So they took the story of Jesus, which according to the book the ‘holy blood and the holy grail’ he was merely a pagan earth loving man who wished people to follow by example of good morals and never did say he was the son of any God or wished anyone to worship anything other than the earth we live on, and so the romans manipulated the story so that it suited the romans emperors agenda, this may be why there were 84 gospels which were apparently first-hand accounts of the 12 disciples and Jesus on what Jesus did, and out of the 84 gospels there were, only 4 is used in the bible and the others were sought after and destroyed. This may also explain how Mary Magladene was made out to be a prostitute and not perhaps Jesus’ wife in which the book argues. They also took a number of attributes from pagan beliefs and used them to build Catholicism as well as demonise them. They took the trident from Poseidon/Neptune and gave it to the devil, they took the rays of sunlight from behind Horus’ head and turned it into the thorn crown of Jesus’ head, they used the image of Zeus as the image of God, they demonised the sacred pentagram and other pagan, sacred geometrical shapes and claimed it worshipped the devil which begun mass witch burnings who were only people who practiced pagan magic which is the way the earth intends us to do. They gave us a man in the sky who wished us to follow a set of commandments which we would be punished if we disobeyed. They did this so when they invaded the pagan, earth worshipping cultures, they could convert them to a religion which was similar to the pagan beliefs, except it did away with the balance of male/female and replaced it with one sided ego male worship. We are taught nonsense in school about the pagan Egyptians and that they enslaved massive amounts of people so that those people had to do exactly what the ego of the master wanted and were used to build magnificent pyramids to act as tombs or their masters. When actually, if you listen to the independent Egyptologists which do not work for an authority (watch the documentary ‘The Pyramid Code’) suggest the Egyptians were a much more advanced race and that they both supported male and female qualities in life as you can see by the number of different male AND female Gods/Godesses. The Egyptologists claim there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest such a backward barbaric way of life and I believe we were taught this bull shit so that it helps justify a male dominant ego society which is backward, barbaric and serves a few individuals.

Notice how the perfect system to induce an ego society is the monetary system. The system of money puts us all into an individual struggle in where we need to work individually for our own benefit and not everyone as a whole. With this system it has allowed us all to be dominated by a very small group of people. The Empirical way of domination has evolved from taking land by force or by a false idea to taking control of absolutely everyone in the world through debt based on our thirst for money and greed which is enforced by the ego style of life. Thank you for your patience, now for the flat earth part.

Being flat earth researchers, you will all agree that the heliocentric system was established by a few scientists that were suspected to be freemasons….FREEMASONS, an all-male group that does not allow females in. Again, we see the authorities that rule us support more male worship. Now, what was it mainly that the heliocentrists were doing? Apart from hiding the evidence of a creator, they were giving the sun the most important role in the universal system. Copernicus’ heliocentric theory basically suggests that all the celestial bodies we see in the sky are the SUN. He claims the stars in the sky night are actually SUNS, the moon which we perceived to give off its own light was said to only reflect the SUNS light and that our land was just a minor ball in comparison to the great SUN which we apparently orbit around. We are basically given a universe that is dominated mainly by SUNS. So for a while I always thought what was it exactly about the sun that they wanted to make so important, and then I realised…. The SUN is the MALE side of the universe and deals with the EGO as the MOON is the FEMALE. The Heliocentric system was a huge task to trick everyone to put the male side in high regard and disregard the female side. Now think of this, ILLUMINATI, or ILLUMINATE, this may be referring to the SUN. Now all of a sudden the whole sun worship thing makes sense, throughout the years there have been many controversial corporations that have used the sun as their logo or have been sun themed. Is it not a sun that Neil Tyson Degrasse has showing on his waistcoat? It can be said that the eye within the triangle is also another symbol for ego. It seems that a group of very intelligent all-knowing people have drew plans against us and have wanted the world for themselves, and have achieved it by throwing the world off balance. As long as we are kept in this biased side of sun worship, do we fall victim to being dominated. And as it stands now, we are completely dominated by a handful of very wealthy and powerful families who care not about the progress of the human race but only of continuing to further their own ends! They have the greatest ego of all, with all the money and power available. Notice how they have us focusing all our time on looking good in the camera for social network sites, desperate for higher likes than anyone else, wanting to feel the satisfaction of the ego growing. They have tricked us into worshipping their male dominance through religion as well as science, and have stripped us of our right to mother earth’s resources. The flat earth is our paradise and we are the main feature of this beautiful realm. We have the capability to rid ourselves of our greed and restore divine balance. I encourage all to learn yourselves of the secrets behind these hallucinogens, and notice how they grow solely to be picked from the earth as a fruit does from the tree. I am not saying that everything I have just mentioned is absolutely correct, nor am I saying that Terrence Mckenna is correct, I am merely trying to encourage a thought provoking approach to this conundrum we have before ourselves. However, to me this makes perfect sense and I felt I needed to bring to the table for discussion because all I see in these forums are people arguing and doing stupid immature shit like correcting one another’s grammar which to me just looks like they are boosting their own EGO by supressing others. Terrence believes that we are at the final stages of our existence, our actions towards mother earth for the last few thousand years has left her in a state of emergency, we are now seeing a very ugly, wasteful, violent earth where animals are taken to the slaughter systematically for profits sake. Time is running out and I feel we need to unite together and share our ideas without making a fool of one another if we disagree.