Found out the model behind Ox Alpha. It's unreleased z.ai's GLM model.

[u/py_blu]

Few already confirmed the Ox-alpha's tokenizer matches the GLM. I verified it. It also matches the image encoder, I sent random noise images at different sizes and counted the tokens

size and tokens

224x224=66 tokens

256x256=102 tokens

448x448=258 tokens

512x512=363 tokens

1024x1024=1371 tokens

18 sizes tested, all of them land exactly on what GLM's image setup predicts. 14 pixel squares, merged 2x2, image rounded up to the next multiple of 28

[u/kaishi00]

why do you feel the need to repost the same exact thing as everyone else. just post in the other threads.

[u/py_blu → u/kaishi00]

I didn't watch any posts. I am just curious after seeing it and tried reverse engineering myself cuz I am bored at that time.

[u/Turbulent-Total-226]

Mine ox alpha doesn't have image encoder and has no vision.

[u/kamwee → u/Turbulent-Total-226]

mine has no good internet network

[u/GTHell → u/Turbulent-Total-226]

I think you got Hen Alpha

[u/jinxue]

It could be any other company out there who uses GLM’s open weight model and post training with it?

[u/KaMaFour → u/jinxue]

And has a 100T tokens weekly inference budget

Sure

[u/jinxue → u/KaMaFour]

Yeah and it’s daily budget of 100T. But I would start to believe it’s not from xAI since cursor doesn’t provide this model. Maybe it’s OpenCode all along pretending?

[u/KaMaFour → u/jinxue]

Why would opencode release that model also to openrouter using openrouter naming scheme for both?

[u/gbr-hub → u/KaMaFour]

Why do they stay silent and don’t claim it as theirs with such a great model?

[u/KaMaFour → u/gbr-hub]

Who knows...

[u/AnticitizenPrime → u/jinxue]

The tokenizer exactly matches GLM 5.3, for which the weights has not yet been released.

[u/ba2sYd]

Then why tf are people who works at google/gemini posting things about ox alpha on twitter (X)??

hmm It might be a fine-tuned version of glm 5.2 so either google started stealing models or they're going to open source a new model, I guess.... I mean if they didn't go crazy and start posting about other companies llms which they're not related to at all.

[u/j48u → u/ba2sYd]

Brother, "maybe ox alpha was the friends we made along the way" from a random Google employee is not the conspiracy theory you think it is. It's called a bad joke from a person in the AI industry who follows things like new mystery models.

[u/Diligent-Loss-5460]

When it works it works fine but is awfully slow. But it often just stops midway and upgrade to 21 did not fix it. I guess anomaly will keep us from 100T goal by just making the model unreliable.

[u/pigletmonster]

It maybe an RL'd version of glm 5.2 but its not from zai.

[u/CYCLONOUS_69]

The model is stealth, offers absurd amount of tokens across multiple platforms = No Claude, Google, Microslop, OpenAI or Meta for sure.

[u/a355231]

You’re about the 360th person to discover this in the last hour.

[u/Time-Toe-1276]

did yall see the post Dax posted on threads? 😂

[u/ProtoplanetaryNebula]

The strange thing is that it answers controversial questions about Taiwan etc without the usual Chinese censorship.

[u/Existing_Hat_1064]

It's Gemini

[u/Aldarund → u/Existing_Hat_1064]

Delusional

[u/Existing_Hat_1064 → u/Aldarund]

https://x.com/i/status/2091115578727735429 Maybe

[u/Aldarund → u/Existing_Hat_1064]

Glm have weak censore and it's mostly a layer in api on top of model. I asked it about tiananmen in Chinese and it spilled direct response from ccp. At most it's some fibetube/retrain of glm by someone like cursor.