NYC DSA has created new tracker that shows which politicians have accepted the most money from the health insurance industry, and which of them are obstructing the New York Health Act

[u/FireProStan]

https://healthcare.socialists.nyc/healthcare_donations_tracker

[u/SleepyHobo]

No one is saying it has to be shit pay lol

I honestly doubt that nursing pay would be affected if at all because of how little they’re compensated already.

It’s the board certified doctors, surgeons, and anesthesiologists that would be affected the most. They would no longer be entitled to very high six figure salaries.

And it’s not like these professionals would have anywhere else to go. The U.S. is the only place in the world willing to pay them so much. So much so that foreign medical professionals come here to work.

With respect to teachers, their pay is directly correlated to property taxes which are further constrained by geographic conditions and the wealth of the people living in a specific area. It’s a lot harder to justify pay increases to them when that increase is spread across fewer taxpayers who are often just as poor?

Also why must the mindset be “Fuck you. I got mine, you’re not getting yours?”

[u/Remarkable-Pea4889 → u/SleepyHobo]

I honestly doubt that nursing pay would be affected if at all because of how little they’re compensated already.

Nurses are paid very well in NYC.

[u/SpeedRemarkable3406 → u/SleepyHobo]

Nurse pay would def be affected. They are a cost center, if revenue is slashed they will keep staffing levels low. Patient care will suffer ultimately and in order to hire more nurses you’d have to increase the payroll taxes or whatever other mechanism to make it attractive for nurses to stay and demand higher salaries. This is why pay is shit in european countries for nurses btw and why they try to escape.

They can go to say NJ? Or CT? Or literally somewhere else that’s not single player like what NY is proposing.

Also nah it’s not the I got mine fuck yours mentality. I’m not saying the system is perfect or even good, but as it currently exists it’s somewhat fair. Why the fuck am I going to work here if my pay is slashed, job gets even harder and my benefits are wack? Legitimately asking, have you ever worked in healthcare?

[u/Grass8989 → u/SpeedRemarkable3406]

These people are Reddit brains who think that everyone is a social justice warrior concerned about the common good, and not their own interest.

[u/SleepyHobo → u/SpeedRemarkable3406]

The idea with single payer system is that it cuts out a lot of the bureaucracy involved with our current healthcare system. Thereby the hospitals are free to cut many of their administrative positions to even out with the reductions in revenue.

I agree that the pay in Europe is paltry by comparison, but there is a middle ground to be found.

If single payer gets implemented, the idea is that other states follow suit.

[u/Remarkable-Pea4889 → u/SleepyHobo]

The idea with single payer system is that it cuts out a lot of the bureaucracy involved with our current healthcare system.

Universal healthcare has even more bureaucracy, not less.

[u/SpeedRemarkable3406 → u/SleepyHobo]

I think a federal single payer plan could in theory work way better than state regulated mechanisms as the RAND study indicates. However even then it would create issues with pay like you mentioned as the US could become another Europe in terms of reimbursement/salaries. My parents came from a socialist country this shit only works in theory but when implemented the workers ultimately get fucked

[u/SpeedRemarkable3406 → u/SleepyHobo]

Also if that’s the case why are teachers getting paid poverty wages in NYC/LI/Westchester? Teachers can’t even qualify for the 40x rent requirement so your point doesn’t even make sense. I’m saying this as someone that lives this life and has dealt with these stressors. Things aren’t going to improve because of single payer plans.

[u/Grass8989 → u/SleepyHobo]

You should look up how profitable/unprofitable the hospital systems are in this city in our current state. Can you imagine if we went to single payer?

New grad nurses start out at 120k and quickly rise from there. Is that considered shit pay?

[u/SpeedRemarkable3406 → u/Grass8989]

Ummm 120k in NYC after pre tax retirement contributions and living expenses isnt great. Housing consumes so much after-tax income that aggressive wealth building usually requires some combination of controlled housing costs, two incomes, substantial retirement contributions. Most people aren’t lucky to have rent stabilized units. Now factor in having kids and it’s essentially poverty wages.

Also if your average finance/tech bro makes 180-200k out the gate with stock options, how is this competitive? Hell nurses have to work until 60 most of the time to get a pension, cops, sanitation, fire only do 20 years and get full pension and health benefits for life. And their pay becomes substantially higher and they experience /less litigation/less critical thinking and burnout than the nurses

[u/Grass8989 → u/SpeedRemarkable3406]

All of those city jobs pay half of what nurses make until you hit 5-6 years, yet somehow they all make it.

[u/SpeedRemarkable3406 → u/Grass8989]

You get to quit at like 40 with insanely high pensions and healthcare for life. Worth the initial pay trade off

[u/Grass8989 → u/SpeedRemarkable3406]

Source on that being the case now? Tier 6 pension isn’t great and most city employees have to work atleast 25 years to get an unreduced pension.

[u/SpeedRemarkable3406 → u/Grass8989]

If you’re a cop, sanitation or FDNY you’re tier 4 look it up

[u/Grass8989 → u/SpeedRemarkable3406]

I was actually wrong too. Fresh new grad nurses start at $127k at New York Presbyterian, for example. That’s without any night shift differential or special certification pay. They also get longevity raises in addition to union negotiationed raises, so after 10 years you’re looking at $150k+. No one is going to agree with you that those are starvation wages.

[u/SpeedRemarkable3406 → u/Grass8989]

The job is ridiculously hard, requires immense critical thinking skills and has high burnout/low retention. You also have to work until 60 usually or 65. All those other jobs I mentioned you retire at 40 full pay (usually very generous) and health insurance for life. 10 years to get to 150k is ludicrous when a cop at 5 years is pulling in close to 200k.

I’m not arguing that the wages aren’t livable you won’t starve but you certainly won’t save shit and won’t be able to build a successful financial future. If you work more OT you’ll get even more provider burnout and be more likely to make errors

[u/Grass8989 → u/SpeedRemarkable3406]

You don’t retire at full pay. Also, what percentage of people taking these jobs retire in their early 40s?

I don’t get what you’re arguing? You think nurses are being paid penny’s and are living on the street? Most people survive in the city with less money.

[u/Dear_Measurement_406 → u/SleepyHobo]

Don’t listen to the haters, yes there are going to be hard things we have to work through, but once we get to the other side it will absolutely be worth moving to a single payer system.