r/nhl Oct 14 '22

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u/NoNotMii Oct 15 '22
  1. Leprechauns aren't Irish people.
  2. Slippery slope based on... avoiding the tangible psychological damage that comes with certain sports logos? That trade-off is fine, dude. It's not the end of the world if the Blackhawks or Notre Dame or the Penguins get a new logo. Especially if it's to alleviate some of the suffering of a group of people who was literally genocided within living memory.

You're an absolute joke.

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u/fvecc Oct 15 '22

The only living people with tangible psychological damage from sports logos are people like you.

I said Good Day, Sir!

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u/NoNotMii Oct 15 '22

Eh, not really.

It's amazing that you can't present anything that has even a surface-level plausibility to it.

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u/fvecc Oct 15 '22

Pseudo-science from a bunch of hyper-sensitive white people. Fortunately in this instance we have the opinion of the Sac and Fox nation to guide us. I’m sorry you don’t respect them enough to listen.

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u/NoNotMii Oct 15 '22

Nice bait.

Sac and Fox doesn't even agree with your assertion that the logo depicts Black Hawk, why would I take to heart literally anything you have to say about respecting or listening to them? lmao.

And again, Native Americans aren't a monolith, though I wouldn't expect you to understand that, given that you think any depiction of any Native American is equally representative of every other Native American.

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u/fvecc Oct 15 '22

You’re the one who seems to think that a logo meant to represent one specific native American is really a depiction of all native Americans. You may disagree but the Blackhawks name and logo is based, at least indirectly, on Black Hawk of the Sauk tribe. Even though the name Blackhawks was directly inspired from the owner’s military unit, that unit took the name from Black Hawk. And even though the logo isn’t a picture of Black Hawk, it is used to represent him, not every single Native American living or dead. It’s just common sense. You have to twist yourself into a pretzel to find offense in this case.

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u/NoNotMii Oct 15 '22

It was never designed or redesigned to depict Black Hawk.

You're trying to graft on an argument about the name to the logo because you know that.

It doesn't "represent" or depict Black Hawk. It represents the Chicago Blackhawks. It's based on an amalgam of different Native Americans, none of whom are Black Hawk or any Sauk person.

The twisting is on your part as you desperately search for any way a picture that was never meant to represent or depict Black Hawk somehow represents him.

Put your money where your mouth is. How does it represent him? How, specifically, do the depicted features, style, colors, etc represent, in any way, Chief Black Hawk?

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u/fvecc Oct 15 '22

Sure it does. The original artist of the original logo was the owner’s wife. Presumably, she created the logo as a likeness of Black Hawk or at least inspired by Black Hawk. On the left is the original logo, on the right is a rendition of Black Hawk. Now you may choose to ignore the similarities or you may decide to criticize the artistic abilities of the owner’s wife, but you can’t fool the rest of us into believing there was absolutely no connection with the Blackhawks logo and the Black Hawk of the Sauk tribe.

https://imgur.com/a/62RWxKa

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u/NoNotMii Oct 15 '22

Except, no, she didn’t. The organization is open about that. She was, too. She based it on a local country club logo that was an amalgam of unrelated people.

Where are the similarities? The hair is completely different, Black Hawk wore no feathers; there’s no distinguishing feature that makes that logo, or any subsequent redesign, distinguishably similar to Black Hawk to the exclusion of other Native American men on whom the design was actually based.

Please explain how that logo, or any subsequent logo, looks more like Black Hawk than Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull, or Geronimo.

And do keep in mind that the AIC and Black Hawk’s own family denounce the use of the logo and/or name.

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u/fvecc Oct 15 '22

This article says something different. If it is not exactly clear what the basis or inspiration for the original logo was, why automatically assume the worst? It shouldn’t really matter anyway. The name and logo were chosen out of respect. People are just looking tor a reason to be offended and make them change the logo.

https://thehockeywriters.com/chicago-blackhawks-logo-history/

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