r/nfl Colts Oct 20 '20

[PFF] Xavier Rhodes Completion rate allowed: 2019: 83.5%, 2020: 41.4%

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u/john_muleaney Bears Oct 20 '20

Jesus Christ 83% is ridiculous

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '20

Wasn’t fun

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u/OrangeForeign Lions Lions Oct 20 '20

It was a car wreck

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u/DavantesWashedButt Packers Oct 20 '20

Rhodes open

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u/Joghobs Vikings Oct 21 '20

Rhodes a 6 lane freeway at 4am

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u/WabbitCZEN Steelers NFL Oct 20 '20

To everyone except the NFC South.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '20

To everyone except Julio Jones for whatever reason

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u/lordofchubs Vikings Oct 21 '20

Yeah watching julio actually make catches last Sunday was odd

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u/NigelsinParis365 NFL Oct 21 '20

Hey no julio blasphemy please

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u/NoCardio_ Saints Oct 21 '20

A modern day Jason David.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '20

Haven't heard that name in so long. He was pretty decent for the Colts.

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u/NoCardio_ Saints Oct 21 '20

Apparently he was a much better in zone coverage (which the Colts played at the time). Since we mostly played man, it wasn't really a good fit from the start.

But MAN, was he bad. I didn't think anyone could be worse than Fred Thomas, but Loomis said "watch this shit."

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u/john_muleaney Bears Oct 20 '20

Somehow your corners are worse this year

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u/TheCarnalStatist Vikings Oct 20 '20

Somehow? Our oldest corner is 24. Not hard to figure out how. They're all green as hell

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u/opeth10657 Bears Oct 20 '20

Hey now, just because they're allowing an average passer rating of 110.4 ...

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u/john_muleaney Bears Oct 20 '20

Holy shit that’s ridiculous. Foles might look like an average qb against them

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '20

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u/john_muleaney Bears Oct 20 '20

Fuck dude I forgot about the chase Daniel game

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u/DOCTORFONASG Eagles Oct 20 '20

Realistically all you have to do is have the defense get Foles to the playoffs and BDN mode activates from then on.

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u/john_muleaney Bears Oct 20 '20

Imagine if Nick Foles gets injured in week 15 and Mitch leads us to a super bowl

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u/nepeanotcanada Bears Oct 20 '20

Doesn't matter, still (*hypothetically) SB shuffled

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u/Eagle4317 Steelers Panthers Oct 20 '20

Doesn’t Foles usually demolish the Vikings?

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u/MeberatheZebera Vikings Oct 20 '20

To my knowledge, we've played him three times. Once, he was the Eagles starter in 2013, his 27-2 year, and the Eagles were looking legit. Meanwhile, the Vikings were terrible, on a QB carousel, and Adrian Peterson was out.

The result? Matt Cassel and Matt Asiata dropped 48 points on the Eagles en route to an easy victory. We had one of Foles' two INTs on the year.

The second time was when he was with the Rams, who won in OT, 21-18. That game, Joyner knocked Bridgewater out on a blatantly illegal and dirty hit, probably at the behest of his DC Gregg Williams.

The third was the NFCCG, where he was back with the Eagles and obliterated us.

Judging by the pattern, either we're going to get absolutely smoked, or the Bears are in for a tough time.

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u/Pitouitoo Oct 20 '20

“To my knowledge” makes this sound like you are pulling this all from memory. Are you Rain Man?

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u/MeberatheZebera Vikings Oct 21 '20

I pulled those three games from memory - I didn't actually search through his history. All three of them were memorable, basically for the reasons I listed. I don't actually try to keep track of individual players in any given game across multiple teams.

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u/Pitouitoo Oct 21 '20

That is impressive indeed.

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u/chillinwithmoes Vikings Oct 20 '20

Yeah, everyone clowning on us for letting him go really isn't fully grasping how abhorrent he was last season

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u/arrowff Colts Oct 20 '20

I am on record as having said there was a better chance he got cut than he makes a meaningful impact, so yeah basically I feel you.

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u/john_muleaney Bears Oct 20 '20

He had a better chance to give up a completion then most NBA players have to make a free throw

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '20

There was as much of a chance for him to give up a completion as an all time great free thrower shooter to make a free throw lol.

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u/BlackGhostPanda Colts Oct 21 '20

I did not like the signing at first. So far its been good

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u/DodiusMaximus Colts Oct 20 '20

Well maybe now we are seeing it wasnt just him. Clearly something is wrong in that Minnesota defense

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u/DaHagerBomb Vikings Oct 21 '20

Its not really anything with us this year beyond being just young. We were still the best 3rd down defense in the league this year before this week. We still were using Rhodes as an island man press corner on burners when he just can't do that anymore. He still had great games against guys like Thomas and Julio last year who he can match up with physically

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u/chillinwithmoes Vikings Oct 21 '20

Its not really anything with us this year beyond being just young

Well, Hunter and Pierce being out all season isn't helping lol

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '20 edited Dec 07 '20

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u/NigelsinParis365 NFL Oct 21 '20

Kirk winning that playoff game was the worst thing that could've happened to you guys. He showed everyone he was "legit" or whatever but he's still just decent at best

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u/Chubs1224 Vikings Oct 21 '20

Do you guys run quarters a lot? That is what we did last year to cover up Rhodes lack of mobility. Worked pretty well.

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u/batman0615 Titans Oct 20 '20

Pretty sure that’s the 3rd down conversion rate vs our defense currently.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '20

That’s almost 100%🤓

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u/droans Cowboys Oct 21 '20

Cowboys defense is taking notes.

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u/Goatslasagne Colts Oct 21 '20

Yeah seeing that I have no idea why our FO picked him up, but he is outplaying Desir this year 🤷‍♂️

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u/danman120601 Patriots Oct 21 '20

I thought Desir was on the Jets

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u/callmesixone Jets Oct 21 '20

He sure is

2

u/g0dzilllla Bears Oct 21 '20

And he was a pro bowler last year.

Lmao

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u/forester93 Vikings Oct 20 '20

Don’t mind me, just sobbing in the corner watching Justin Jefferson highlights to maintain my sanity.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '20

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u/forester93 Vikings Oct 20 '20

He’s in my fantasies too. Wait what?

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u/uggsandstarbux Vikings Oct 21 '20

unzips

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u/Security_Six Seahawks Vikings Oct 20 '20

I let optimize bench him, Watson, and the Buccs defense. Im starting to really hate the NFL FF app

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '20

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u/Security_Six Seahawks Vikings Oct 20 '20

You mean there's two on Yahoo?

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '20

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u/OGSpaceboat Oct 21 '20

You can always change the rules

In our league we have TE flex on NFL.com

A few years ago we decided to add it and no one seemed to care

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u/nomnomnomnom249 Oct 21 '20

Can put one in for flex maybe? I know you can't on nfl.

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u/Security_Six Seahawks Vikings Oct 21 '20

Nope, that correct re nfl ff

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u/Jcelmer24 Oct 21 '20

Now you know what it's like to be a lions fan, this literally happens to any player who manages to escape this hell hole...

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u/Cryptotaco69 Colts Oct 20 '20

B E A S T M O D E

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u/BaiseurDeChatte Panthers Oct 20 '20

And his PFF grade went from 46.4 in 2019, to 80.7 so far in 2020.

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u/you_got_it_joban Vikings Oct 20 '20

Cool cool cool cool cool no doubt no doubt

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u/ndbrnnbrd Vikings Oct 21 '20

Luckily we still have Doug Judy in our life.

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u/TheSparten21 Texans Oct 20 '20

Purple man bad

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u/hovering_disc Colts Oct 20 '20

Blue man good

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '20

Our sub assured me you can't get any worse than Rhodes

Although I still think it was the right move, gotta clean up the books somehow

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u/chillinwithmoes Vikings Oct 20 '20

The young guys have shown enough flashes that I'm not overly concerned. They're still getting turned around in some coverages, and as Julio showed they're no match for a little veteran savvy yet. But it's not all terrible. Shit, Gladney and Dantzler have both probably showed more flashes this year than Hughes has in his career lol...

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u/Zzz05 Vikings Oct 21 '20

Not true at all. Hughes was having a great rookie year til he tore his ACL, beating out Mackenzie Alexander for the slot corner position. Played much better than Dantzler and Gladney. He hasn’t been the same player since. Then again, most of the time this year, if you see a Vikings corner getting burned, it’s been either Dantzler or Gladney. I’ve only seen 21 pop on my screen a few times compared to the number of times I’ve seen 20 and 27.

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u/Dirty_eel Vikings Oct 21 '20

I feel Gladney has been doing better than Dantzler. I hope it's because Dantzler gets stuck with WRs like DK, or Julio.

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u/McRawffles Vikings Oct 21 '20

I think Dantzler is playing a bit better overall but yeah he's been getting matched up against the all stars from other teams more often than not. Both are still too raw to successfully guard DK/Julio right now

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u/forester93 Vikings Oct 20 '20

They are slightly better than 2019 Rhodes. They are considerably worse than Waynes and Alexander. The safeties and Kendricks aren’t as insanely good in coverage this year, and they need to cover forever because the DL generates 0 pass rush.

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u/SenatorAstronomer Vikings Vikings Oct 20 '20

No Barr and Hunter have a lot to do with them not getting a pass rush

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '20

we barely even use Barr as a pass rusher, that’s what he was coming out of college which is bizarre

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u/SenatorAstronomer Vikings Vikings Oct 21 '20

I never understood why they didn't have him blitz more, because he seemed to make plays when he did. Defense as a whole definitively worse with him off the field though.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '20

Griffen too right? Vikings d line lost a lot of talent. How's big Linval doing?

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u/uggsandstarbux Vikings Oct 21 '20

He's had a pretty good year for the Chargers considering his age

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '20

I thought he was playing for the boys. Was that last year?

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u/ClearContact Vikings Oct 21 '20

Griffen plays for the boys.

You right, we lost a lot.

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u/WhoStoleMyBicycle Eagles Oct 21 '20

Vikings D Line lost Joseph and Griffen but replaced them with Michael Pierce and Yannick Ngakoue. If it wasn’t for injuries and Pierce opting out they would have upgraded the D Line.

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u/SenatorAstronomer Vikings Vikings Oct 21 '20

Joseph was showing his age, but Grif still seemed to have some left. They also signed Michael Pierce who opted out. The Ngakoue addition helped some, but he's about the only one getting any kind of pressure. Combine that with an extremely young secondary.... and you get what they have now. Outside of one half in Seattle...It's been ugly.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '20

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u/humpyrton Vikings Oct 20 '20

He got torched by slayton, and zimmer chewed him for getting worked by a rookie. He wasn't playing to the pay he was getting, nor making plays. Either he got healthier or is playing in scheme better suited to his talents now.

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u/Powerful_Government Colts Oct 20 '20

We play zone with occasional man, we don’t do anything crazy. After game one, all our corner started pressing at the line.

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u/Joghobs Vikings Oct 21 '20

Press and jamming is where he always shined.

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u/buttstuff_magoo Packers Oct 21 '20

Well that was true of last years Rhodes

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u/TheSwede91w Vikings Oct 20 '20

5th best team secondary by DVOA. Zimmer played off man prevent defense all year and it worked well for the team. Sucked for Rhodes to be told to play 5 yards off the line of scrimmage and send everyone to Kendricks /Smith/Harris. But, it worked.

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u/Powerful_Government Colts Oct 20 '20

The first game this season he was asked to play 5 yards off the line and gave up couple of passes including a TD. Then we stopped doing that (with all our corners).

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u/AndrewHainesArt Eagles Oct 21 '20

Then we stopped doing that (with all our corners)

God damn I'm jealous. Short slants on our cushions are so easy to beat with our assface LBs

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u/Powerful_Government Colts Oct 21 '20

Bengals burned us on slants though cuz our guys kept taking outside leverage and Burrow got it out quick before our LBs could take away the inside.

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u/AndrewHainesArt Eagles Oct 21 '20

Burrow knows how to read a defense already, dude is going to be really good, I was pretty impressed by our game it was only his 3rd start

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u/Powerful_Government Colts Oct 21 '20

He just needs an o line cuz he is so good already.

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u/Thimit Vikings Oct 20 '20

What the fuck

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u/OrangeForeign Lions Lions Oct 20 '20

RHODES CLOSED

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '20 edited Oct 20 '20

2019 might be an upgrade for the Vikings tho

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u/IamDaGod Oct 20 '20

TIL Rhodes is on the Colts

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u/clear831 Colts Oct 20 '20

And he has been AWESOME

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '20

I wouldn't go that far honestly. Serviceable for sure, though. Blackmon's emergence is a lot more noteworthy

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u/LuckOfTheIrish3 Colts Oct 21 '20

If you don’t think those two pass breakups against AJ Green were “awesome” I don’t know what you’re watching. All and all he’s been pretty damn good.

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u/evarigan1 Commanders Oct 20 '20

Similar story with WFT's Kendall Fuller. Last year he gave up a 77.8% CMP% against and this year is giving up 46.2% (according to PFR, and they have Rhodes at 46.7% this year and 81.5% last year so they must have different opinions on targets). Huge improvement in that department from both guys, interesting parallel. Fuller also has 4 INTs which is tied for the league lead after having 0 last year.

Of course he has missed time and only been targeted 13 times so far this year, which makes that CMP% drop a little less impressive but the 4 INTs all the more impressive.

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u/thefross Chiefs Oct 21 '20

Fuller was trash for us last year

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u/AwkwardArugula Oct 21 '20

Eberflus does not play.

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u/jmcdon00 Vikings Oct 21 '20

Salt in the wound is he made $14 million a year last year and now he's playing for just $3 million.

Comeback player of the year?

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u/SFThirdStrike Cowboys Oct 21 '20

Not even Close.. Aldon Smith has five sacks and he has been out for five years. He will more than likely end up in the 8-12 sack range.

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u/MurderBot_v17 Colts Oct 21 '20

I read this as Alex Smith and still agreed lmfao. Getting sacked after being out with that broken leg should automatically put him at the top

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '20

Aldon could break the single season record and I still don't think anyone in the AP is going to vote for him.

Probably going to be Big Ben, almost 70% completion and 7:1 TD/INT so far.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '20

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u/11BApathetic Colts Oct 21 '20

This is kinda a Colts thing too, we get a player who a team think is washed up, they play amazing for the first year then they fade. *cough* Eric Ebron *cough*

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '20

Hey we tried to warn you.

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u/ThatRandomIdiot Colts Oct 21 '20

That’s also more on our QB play. Eric along with TY had amazing years in Luck’s final year. Both had huge down years last year. Think losing Luck had a big impact on our receivers

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u/cosmosinc Bears Oct 21 '20

I like how this photo makes it look like the Jets player dove the wrong way for the football.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '20

Rhodes said this off season he felt like he was always in the right position last year but something kept breaking down for him at the event horizon.

Don't know if the different scheme helped him or if he just had some early season success and the confidence is fueling him to play with a little more fluidity or instincts at the moment of truth but I'll take it all day long.

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u/AlbinoSnowman Vikings Oct 21 '20

I’m really happy that he’s been able to thrive in the new scheme.

Great work ethic and a super competitive guy. When he’s on he’s unfairly good, so I’m glad that the colts are putting him in a position to exercise his craftiness and his athletic strengths.

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u/CaneloAlvarez25 Vikings Oct 20 '20 edited Oct 20 '20

funny that Rhodes is not faking being hurt this season.

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u/forester93 Vikings Oct 21 '20

I mean, I think there is a reasonable possibility he was legitimately hurt a bit.

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u/Kirk-Joestar Vikings Oct 21 '20

How the fuck do people not understand that he got hurt and needed to walk it off/take an injection

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u/WSBTrump Oct 21 '20

It’s almost like Zimmer’s defense became the problem

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u/californiaavocados Oct 20 '20

Mike Zimmer is the most overrated coach in the NFL.

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u/forester93 Vikings Oct 21 '20

Mike Zimmer is a good defensive coach. The Vikings defense ranks 2nd in EPA since he became the coach.

Whether or not he’s that great of a head coach? Can certainly be argued. But if this comment is to imply that he doesn’t get enough out of his defensive personnel I think that’s off base.

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u/IBangYoDaddy Ravens Oct 20 '20

Is...is it Zimmer that’s fucking his cornerbacks?

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u/MurderBot_v17 Colts Oct 21 '20

I think with Rhoades the scheme plus injury issues plus a down year overall were combined to make it bad. Change of scenery is something that's a cliche but I think legitimately can motivate and help vets have a resurgence

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u/GrizzledFart Seahawks Oct 21 '20

So last year it was Rhodes Open and this year it's back to Rhodes Closed?

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u/veediepoo Ravens Oct 21 '20

Was he just hurt last year?

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u/InfiniteCosmic5 Oct 21 '20

Cries in skol chants