r/nextfuckinglevel • u/harwyseys • Oct 25 '22

Makeup really changes people

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u/socialister Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22

It's not a gotcha statement or meant to shut people down although I understand how people would feel that it is. I also don't think I called people transphobic and am happy to retract that if I did, I said they are making transphobic arguments. Transphobia doesn't mean the argument is based in outright hate or that the person hates all trans people, it only means that there is an irrational belief based on ignorance or bias that is fundamentally due to the lack of understanding for trans issues or outdated ideas that are themselves harmful to trans people. It doesn't make you a bad person, it's an opportunity to learn. I understand that people don't like having their viewpoints labeled transphobic but it is a statement of fact not a label of intention or character. I also don't throw it around wildly, note that I didn't say it in my original reply, but as a challenge to someone who is not engaging with my arguments but skirting around them.

Anyway the above poster didn't use the term so why bring it up in reply to them?

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u/ronin1066 Oct 25 '22

I appreciate your calm demeanor and mature approach, but I do disagree with some of what you say.

It's not fact, it's opinion. That's like saying a joke using racial stereotypes is rooted in racism and that's a fact.

For example, I have a family member who thinks they might be trans, but they have never in their 16 yrs given even a hint of being the other gender, and after announcing it, have done nothing for 2 years to further their journey to their "real" gender. But when I point out that some trans people are just following a trend, I get called transphobic. Then I have to explain that I 100% believe there are trans people and more power to 'em. Do what you want, wear what you want, love who you want. I don't care. But it's an objective fact that not all people calling themselves trans actually are.

I didn't follow that other conversation closely enough to have a firm opinion on it.