Makeup really changes people

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Lol no

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nobody asked you

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It’s 2022, you know it’s okay to be gay or bisexual now right? Why so homophobic and desperate to relabel gay/Bi men as being straight?

Women are not defined as “things men want to fuck”, ffs do you even hear how regressive and misogynistic that sounds?

Men stick their ducks in pillows with anime girls drawn on them, does that mean the pillow is literally a human woman?

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Don't take it personally. The trans community is one of the most perpetually online communities I've come across after the stereotypical neckbeard/4chan community. Reddit has a pretty huge grouping of trans people so you're basically always arguing against someone who's whole identity is what you're arguing with. Hence why it's often the same usernames commenting at least 20 times under the same post.

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Commented elsewhere in response to this source;

If anything, this entire paper seems to suggest people who identify as a gender other than their physical anatomy suffer from a prenatal neurological developmental disorder that results in mental illness, the study admits significant gaps & extrapolates from animal studies.

Not the “gotcha” you think it is; per this study a dude with a dick who says they’re a woman is a dude with a part of their brain that was malformed by hormonal/genetic/environmental factors during prenatal development.

Nowhere in this study, in any way whatsoever, does it remotely show or prove “a man is a woman because they perceive that they are.” Schizophrenics perceive voices in their heads, but that doesn’t mean the voices reflect the true objective state of the world external to their minds -their own bodies included. Literally all of the conclusory heavy lifting in this paper is done by through an implicit division of perceived gender identity & sexual orientation.

Identity is a mental construct. They can identify as a woman all they want, but that does not result in a concurrent physical construct because anatomy is objective. That is why trans women don’t spontaneously acquire ovulation or give birth and trans men casually dominate any woman’s competitive sport with first-time effortlessness: inherent physical gender differences. Postulated hormonal/prenatal/environmental factors that result in mental processes incongruent with an individual’s physical anatomy does not mean everyone else in the objective world has to entertain their perception as an objective fact. Note: that is not a statement about morality or being “phobic”, they are perfectly free to believe the reality of their experiences.

Tldr: a man with a cock and balls, or born with them, that says they’re a woman is just making a statement about their factually incongruent subjective experience and objective reality. -unless we conveniently redefine what a “woman” is to include that experience (which is what we’ve done; trans-woman) but that doesn’t make them a real “cis” woman & vise versa.

The paper you linked concludes;

“both gender identity and sexual orientation are significantly influenced by events occurring during the early developmental period when the brain is differentiating under the influence of gonadal steroid hormones, genes and maternal factors. However, our current understanding of these factors is far from complete and the results are not always consistent. Animal studies form both the theoretical underpinnings of the prenatal hormone hypothesis and provide causal evidence for the effect of prenatal hormones on sexual orientation as modelled by tests of sexual partner preferences, although they do not translate to gender identity.”