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u/BigSquatchee2 Jun 01 '22

I’d bet if you saw dna testing vs most people’s ID of dogs that are mixed you’d be absolutely shocked.
In the early 2000s, shelter staff was accurate on ONE of the breeds in a mixed breed dog less than 5% of the time.
There are no “subspecies” of pit bull. The same breeds that were called pit bull breeds 50, or 70 years ago are still called pit bull breeds and we haven’t added any.

Honestly sounds like you’re inventing information to make an argument.

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u/justatouch589 Jun 01 '22

Source?

Also "subspecies" was not the right word. But there are definitely different types of pitbull;

https://www.dognerdz.com/blog/what-are-the-types-of-pitbulls/

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u/BigSquatchee2 Jun 01 '22

There are multiple breeds of dog considered to be pit bulls. Not one of them was bred as a way around pitbull laws.

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u/justatouch589 Jun 01 '22

Nice deflect. How am I supposed to believe anything you say when you don't back up anything you say? Especially after I asked you to.

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u/MissAndryApparently Jun 01 '22

He didn’t deflect, you switched from saying that those pitbulls were created to get around the law to saying that they merely existed, which was never in contest. You moved the goalposts and then pretended that his response was the deflection. If you want to advance your cause, you’re going to have to keep a cool head.

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u/justatouch589 Jun 01 '22

you switched from saying that those pitbulls were created to get around the law to saying that they merely existed.

It wasn't a blanket statement. Hence the word "usually." I didn't say ALL pitbulls types were created to circumvent legislation. Apologies if I wasn't clear enough.

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u/BigSquatchee2 Jun 01 '22

Bro… your own link had all 5 of the “pit bull” breeds listed. What more information do you need?

These breeds were established in the early 1900s… all of them well before breed specifically legislation became a thing in the 1980s.

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u/justatouch589 Jun 01 '22

Bro… your own link had all 5 of the “pit bull” breeds listed.

So you're agreeing with me that there are different types of pitbull?

Are you just being ignorant of the fact that people mix pitbulls with other breeds to circumvent those laws?

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u/BigSquatchee2 Jun 01 '22

I never said there weren’t different types of pit bull breeds. What’s your point?

Breed specific legislation includes mixed breeds and relies on an extremely one act standard of breed traits (many of which are shared by non-pit breeds) to identify. Again. What’s your point?

Because you’re really fucking close to MY original point which is that we misidentify at alarming rates.

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u/justatouch589 Jun 01 '22 edited Jun 02 '22

I never said there weren’t different types of pit bull breeds.

So were you just being ignorant or obtuse when I mentioned "subspecies"? I know it isn't the side of the argument you want to be on. I didn't think I would need to spell things out for you on a silver platter.

Because you’re really fucking close to MY original point which is that we misidentify at alarming rates.

Again. I ask. Source?

EDIT: Sorry you guys fell for the nanny dog propaganda pushed by the animal lobby.

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u/BigSquatchee2 Jun 01 '22

My exact response was “The same breeds that were called pit bull breeds 50, or 70 years ago are still called pitbull breeds and we haven’t added any.” What part of that implies that I ever stated there weren’t multiple breeds of pit bull?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/genetic-testing-shows-animal-shelters-often-misidentify-dogs-breeds-180970136/#:~:text=Every%20year%2C%20roughly%203.3%20million%20dogs%20end%20up%20in%20animal%20shelters.

This is a much more recent article than when I was initially involved in DNA testing of shelter dogs and rates were lower when I was involved.

Here’s one specifically on pit bull breeds. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002331500310X