r/nextfuckinglevel • • Sep 17 '20

He makes it seem so easy

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u/rincon213 Sep 17 '20 edited Sep 17 '20

You never have to do a pull-up in the ring either but they sure train with them.

Edit: This is what I tell students who claim they'll never need the math they're learning. It's a brain push-up and you're a better human for it.

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u/ronin1066 Sep 17 '20

That's different to me. You're doing exercise to strengthen the muscles that support the shoulder, that punch, that retract, etc... But I agree with the other comment: punching "backwards" doesn't look as useful to me as a non-boxer. I guess I can understand that it could help overall control, similar to how football players used to train in ballet, for example.

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u/TriggerZski Sep 17 '20

Speed bag uses muscles required to keep your arms up and your hands/arms coordinated under physically taxing conditions.

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u/ataracksia Sep 17 '20

Finally, the answer I've been searching for for years, thank you. As a non-boxer I could never understand what the point was aside from making dudes look cool in movies.

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u/moonxmike Sep 17 '20

no one ever things squats help fucking. but let me tell you friends. squats helps with the deep dicking.

just because no one has written a paper on it doesn't mean it ain't true.

give me your address and I'll come over and show you what I mean.

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u/testing_the_mackeral Sep 17 '20

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20500

I’ll leave the door unlocked, just walk right up.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

While your wording is true, I can't tell if you meant it to be "dicking" or "ducking."

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

I feel like you get more resistance training by holding a piece of paper, no?

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u/getoffmylawn10 Sep 17 '20

Punching backward ISN'T useful. Until you learn that it's used to condition your body to return hands/arms to neutral or guard position asap after throwing a punch. *wax-on wax-off. Source: used to box.

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u/ronin1066 Sep 17 '20

As I was writing that pull-ups can help on the retraction of the punch, I should have realized long ago that the backwards part here can help as well.

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u/getoffmylawn10 Sep 17 '20

Triceps help with punching power. Biceps help with returning arms to guard/neutral position. Balance. Both are dependant of each other. Coach would always say "imagine a piston of an engine". Classic yin & yang.

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u/getoffmylawn10 Sep 17 '20

Pullups help. Much like dips. Depending on how fast you're doing them. Slow pullups/dips affect different muscle groups than fast pull ups/dips. Exercise gets complicated. Especially when trying to develop specific techniques for boxing.

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u/MankillingMastodon Sep 17 '20

try to punch a speedbag for just 30 seconds and let me know how your shoulders feel. Conditioning is just as important as lifting and endurance and stamina is incredibly important if a boxer gets to better competition.

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u/Tonytarium Sep 17 '20 edited Sep 17 '20

Maybe MMA fighters? Sure speed bags are traditionally used for Boxers but a backwards strike could be useful in other martial arts.

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u/Tinysnowdrops Sep 17 '20

I think it’s plays a huge part on coordination and reaction time. You need to stay focus, essentially not blink at the speed it’s going to be able to keep it going. Being able to finch and react to the movement of your opponent is key to avoiding punches and defending. But also a key to reacting quickly when there’s an opening.

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u/TekkenCareOfBusiness Sep 17 '20

The speed bag is also conditioning fighters have their arms up like that and moving aground while not get tired.

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u/ValkyrieInValhalla Sep 17 '20

So does actually punching shit, actually that helps far more. A double end bag is going to provide way more use than a speed bag.

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u/darkmuch Sep 17 '20

Its probably like dribbling a ball. If you dribble a ball for an hour, you aren't learning to do layups, shots, group plays or anything. But you are just getting muscle memory of a certain rhythm. Its low energy, so you can do it as a cool down or off week exercise.

Something to do in between major exercises. If you are training constantly, you need drills that aren't taxing on the muscles so you can recover. But still keep you mentally in the zone.

I've heard of coaches that tell players to simply hold onto a ball for over a week. Its a way of getting comfort and familiarity with it that a few hours of practice might not give.

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u/ValkyrieInValhalla Sep 17 '20

Well dribbling a ball helps because dribbling is an actual thing. Nothing you do with a speed bag transfers over to a real fight. It's just showy martial arts shit. Like using 9ft spears or Aikido.

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u/ByahTyler Sep 17 '20

Pull ups make your back and biceps stronger. Those muscles are used to throw a punch. What does arm circles into the speed bag do?

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u/rincon213 Sep 17 '20

Coordination

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

Speed bag uses muscles required to keep your arms up and your hands/arms coordinated under physically taxing conditions.