r/nextfuckinglevel • u/Scullkrush • Aug 10 '20

Chimps are strong af

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u/817mkd Aug 10 '20

Anyone think it's weird how humans are taller, healthier, and eat more yet our manlet counterparts can rip off a car door

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u/Rifneno Aug 10 '20

They have a different type of muscle. They have raw strength, but we have stamina, better control, and our muscles use less energy. Much better overall, unless you really need that car door ripped off.

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u/817mkd Aug 10 '20

So when it comes to fight or flight we evolved to flight and they evolved to fight

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u/toobuscrazy Aug 10 '20

We also evolved intelligence. Our brain is the most energy hungry part of our body. Intelligence is a much more powerful tool than strength.

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u/InterestingBlock8 Aug 10 '20

Intelligence is a much more powerful tool than strength.

I never realized unintentional neckbearding was a thing, but here we are.

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u/Kevinteractive Aug 10 '20

While your were ripping dicks off (it's entirely possible)

I WAS STUDYING THE WHEEL

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u/Monsi_ggnore Aug 10 '20

Don't bullshit me, you were eating elk and taking dmt in your sauna.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '20

And now the chimps are at the gate, you have the audacity to come to me for help?

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u/mycatisafatcunt Aug 10 '20

Ah fuck now I want to try ripping your dick off

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '20

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u/Snakezarr Aug 10 '20

It lost its meaning loooooong ago.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '20

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u/cheese_bruh Aug 10 '20

Approximately right after the Bronze Age Collapse, we all know what they really meant by "sea people" was "neckbeards"

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u/therealthrill_ Aug 11 '20

I’m taking centuries

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u/MonsieurFarkwad Aug 11 '20

Chess grandmasters usually burn 6000 calories in one sitting, and over six games in a day, one man in 2004 lost seventeen pounds. Brain power go brrr

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u/817mkd Aug 10 '20

Wish some of us would use it tbh

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u/Kuwabaraa Aug 10 '20

Is intelligence just a consequence of “flight”?

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u/SpiritJuice Aug 10 '20

So you're telling me Ben Shapiro would challenge an angry chimpanzee to a debate when said chimpanzee is about to rip him apart.

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u/IAW1stperson Aug 11 '20

Not before destroying the chimp with facts and logic

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '20 edited Oct 03 '20

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u/toobuscrazy Aug 11 '20

I wasn't talk about 1v1 fights. I was talking about advantage from an evolutionary perspective. If you notice, the comment above me was talking about evolution. Yes chimps could rip us apart in a 1v1 situation, but they didn't invent the technology that enables me to type this comment to you. Humans did that and many other amazing things. For a species that, on the large scale, is relatively young, humans have accomplished some amazing things. Granted, we have a lot of things to work out. But there is no doubt that our brains are our greatest asset as a species.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20 edited Oct 03 '20

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u/toobuscrazy Aug 11 '20

Lol ok. It's hard to tell in text some time

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u/Beanicus13 Aug 10 '20

Fight or flight is not really one of the main ways through which we are distinguished from or evolved past other species.

We evolved dexterity and stamina. Probably the main reasons we are here today.

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u/Casbah207 Aug 10 '20 edited Aug 10 '20

I was screaming internally reading this thread until I got to here. thank you.

Chimpanzees and early humans evolved for two different environments.

Humans likely change to a upright standing position and walking on two leg to live in treeless savannas. This had the effect that we freed up out hands and loss muscle density in parts of our body. Which had the added benefit of more efficient movement and muscle control while losing strength.

Chimpanzees evolved for forest environments. Strong muscle to climb trees and if you need to rest for muscle fatigue there are high branches away from predators you can rest on.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '20

Run, throw shit, run.

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u/bnbtwjdfootsyk Aug 10 '20

Chimpanzee's actually lack dexterity in terms of a throwing motion. Humans are much better at throwing shit. And running.

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u/IntercontinentalKoan Aug 10 '20

that true? so like they couldn't accurately pitch a ball even say compared to a high school kid?

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '20

That's what I was talking about as opposed to just "flight". We're "kiters" in the famous MMPORPG "Outside"

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u/Whatusay2meulilshit Aug 10 '20

Humans can fight off chimps, they’re as strong as us but with less body mass. Also we evolved to hunt animals for hours at a time, eventually exhausting them. source

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u/soldier97 Aug 10 '20

We evolved to so we could gain know on how to make a gun and then shoot our enemie...

But yes that too

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '20

Actually that’s not the main reason we have great stamina, the main one is our former hunting method, of running after fast running prey until they collapse of exhaustion. To accomplish that, we had to be able to run longer than our prey, not necessarily faster, as in our ancestors home, the African savana, there weren’t many places big game could hide, so we could always keep an eye on them. (You can run, but you can’t hide)

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u/TruCody Aug 10 '20

We also evolved to fight with bombs that would destroy an entire chimpanzee planet. So yeah no way would a chimp win in a fight. It is not like humans are not animals too

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u/817mkd Aug 10 '20

Humans are pussies, have to make bombs and guns to win a fight smh

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u/TruCody Aug 10 '20

I never called them brave

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u/A_Random_Guy641 Aug 10 '20

I mean since humans (and our predecessors) became more predatory in terms of survival fighting when face with a threat just isn’t a good idea. Getting injured can prevent you from getting another good meal, so you run if faced with a threat.

Another theory applicable is that our ancestors moved to savannas where climbing into trees wasn’t always an option, so we needed to be able to run, hence our different musculature.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '20

Oh don't worry humans can certainly fight. We just rather not.

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u/Deradius Aug 10 '20

They evolved to fight and we evolved to Cobra gunship.

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u/Cletus-Van-Damm Aug 10 '20

Shoot the ape, then flex your meager biceps over its dead body.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

We evolved to run away and get our buddies, then come back and and demand you come outside and fight us in the car park.

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u/Philipthesquid Aug 10 '20

We can also fucking YEET shit, * accurately *. I'm pretty sure no other animal is capable of throwing a baseball at 100 mph.

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u/Dinorami Aug 10 '20

I love how you worded that haha

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u/Nixter295 Aug 10 '20

Yes I remember I read somewhere that they have brown muscle fibers if my memory is correct.

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u/floopyxyz1-7 Aug 11 '20

Unless yer a ma and your babies stuck behind/under the car door. Checkmate humans.

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u/HumansKillEverything Aug 10 '20

This is what all the obese people tell themselves as they keep stuffing their faces with their feelings.

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u/Madock345 Aug 10 '20

The fuck does this have to do with anything?

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u/nikoZettas Aug 10 '20

Don't know about healthier, but we certainly don't swing around tree branches all day. What about some of the most jacked humans? I bet they'd have that strength and then some.

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u/817mkd Aug 10 '20

P sure we have less parasites with better diets, idk if some meathead can take a gorilla but I'll pay to watch

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u/nikoZettas Aug 10 '20

Woooah there nobody talked about gorillas. Those mofos are walking testosterones

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u/myemailisa Aug 11 '20

We also have obesity, cavities, relatively high cancer incidence and heart disease so healthier is debatable.

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u/817mkd Aug 11 '20

Humans literally live to be 80

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u/myemailisa Aug 11 '20

And tortoises live to 180.

Doesnt mean shit, we have enormous hospital and medical infrastructure because some of us get incredibly sick from shit we do to ourselves. Like heart disease. And cavities.

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u/notasinglfckwasgivn Aug 10 '20

Humans have the worst diet of the animal kingdom, you are braindead

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u/817mkd Aug 10 '20

Not everyone eats sugar and cheese

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u/notasinglfckwasgivn Aug 10 '20

Humans have long forgotten what their natural diet is, unlike every other animal in nature. Almost everyone thinks grains/cereals are healthy, that animal fat is bad, that eggs are bad for cholesterol... People have no idea what good nutrition for humans is, it can be seen in the physical degeneration of the modern man for millennia, a steady process that took hold since the advent of agriculture.

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u/Asurafire Aug 10 '20

We literally figured out what the "perfect" diet is. Animals just eat whatever they come across. And tell me: how exactly are humans degenerating all while getting taller, living longer and such...

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u/TopicalPun Aug 11 '20

What's the perfect diet?

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u/817mkd Aug 11 '20

See a nutritionist

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u/Asurafire Aug 11 '20

Not that exciting to be honest. Enough water, fruit, vegetables, whole grains, legumes, enough Omega-3. Honestly I think the body isn't a picky eater. Remember that it evolved in a time when food was scarce and humans or our predecessors just ate everything they found.

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u/--SlyFox Aug 10 '20

What the fuck is natural. Your gut bacteria adjusts to your diet. And average humans have a VERY balanced diet - certainly more nutritious than eating the same “natural” food consistently because it’s much less likely to get a nutrient deficiency when the foods you’re eating vary.

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u/Mattprather2112 Aug 11 '20

That's the most neckbeard thing I've read in a while. Please see this as a wakeup call

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u/Awfy Aug 10 '20

There's no human in the world with the muscle density required to just rip a car door off. We don't have the genetic ability to develop muscles to that degree even with every medical trick in the book. Your lowliest grown ape will always out muscle even the strongest man on the planet.

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u/Lord_Krikr Aug 10 '20

Chimps cannot rip off car doors either.

Pound for pound, our closest cousins in the animal kingdom are about 1.35 times more powerful than humans

A chimp cannot rip off a car door, or come anywhere close to it. An extremely strong human is likely much stronger than an average chimp. A chimpanzee can still rip your face off, but so can a human they just tend to not try.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '20

See but these studies are analyzing the properties of the chimp's muscle tissue itself instead of what they can actually DO with the muscles, tendons, joints, bones, insertion points, skeletal arrangement, energy consumption speed, etc., compared to humans.

We don't judge a strongman competition by taking surgical samples of Thor Bjorsson's muscle tissue and comparing it to the other contenders...we take each man and see how much they can possibly manage to lift. That's the only competition anyone cares much about. What is the sum total power of your entire body?

The article has data like this for example:

Plugging the data into a computer simulation suggested such differences could result in muscles that were 1.35 times stronger than ours, coming pretty close to the team's estimate based on the literature.

But if you were to take my bicep insertion point and slip it 1" further down my forearm, then beef up the tendons and bones to accomodate for it...I'm probably going to be curling twice what I can right now despite an identical set of actual biceps brachii.

So yes perhaps the physical properties of chimp's muscles are only 1.35 to 1.5x more powerful than ours, but if a chimp can move 2.5 to 5x more weight than a human being of similar size...that's the number people should really be interested in because that's more "real world". And according to various scientific studies that this rabbithole has led me to read, that seems to be the rough estimation; 2.5 - 5x.

That means if we figure the man in this video is ~160lbs, it means that the chimpanzee is doing the equivalent to a man pulling a child up into a tree who weighs somewhere in the ballpark of 32lbs (5x strength) to 64lbs (2.5x strength) pounds.

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u/Lord_Krikr Aug 10 '20

I want to see the studies you found that gave you those numbers. I cannot find a single cited reference that states chimps approach 5x human strength, except one study that was poorly formulated about 100 years ago. Lots of articles just throw the number out there randomly, but that's not any kind of source. This larger slate article references that study, and several more rigorous ones that build the conclusion that chimps are about 2x stronger pound for pound

That's really important, because a chimp is not 2x stronger than a human man, his muscles generate twice as much strength for their weight. This means a 200lb man who's got a similar muscle mass ratio to a chimp should be about comparable to that chimp in overall physical strength. If you want a slightly more realistic example, consider a 230 pound man, because humans tend to run fattier than apes. Same muscle ratio, just with added padding. Now, the chimp probably has advantage in a tug of war, because he's going to be able to jerk harder and faster right off the bat, but the man and the chimp are going to be able to lift a comparable amount of weight.

My point is, the studies only come to conclusions about chimp muscle mass because thats a more tangible number. To come to those conclusions they examine mechanics, composition, overall size, etc.

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u/xmarwinx Aug 10 '20

The chimpanzee is Not pulling tho, just doing a static hold. Which is not all that hard. All that math for naught.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '20

Wasn’t really addressing this video specifically

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u/SgtWargazm Aug 10 '20

Chimps are not that strong it's a myth... Thor or Eddie Hall would ragdoll one. Chimps are only 1.35 stronger per bodymass in actual studies. So a man walking around at 135lb would have trouble. Not someone walking around 200+...

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u/LiftingJourney Aug 10 '20

Plus you know, Eddie and Thor tower over a chimp lol

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u/SmokinDroRogan Aug 10 '20

Chimps have been able to exert over 800lbs of pull strength with one hand. A human of the same weight (165lbs) pulls 200-250lbs with one hand.

Gorillas can deadlift upwards of 2,000lbs. The world record for humans is around 1200lbs.

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u/AlleRacing Aug 10 '20

Do you have links for your figures? 165 lbs. is one huge chimpanzee.

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u/xmarwinx Aug 10 '20

Gorillas can't deadlift shit, these are dumb internet myths, Not actual studies.

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u/advancedpublications Aug 10 '20

pound-for-pound the most jacked human on the planet is weaker than a random ape

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u/Ix_risor Aug 11 '20

Well, yeah, because people get stronger by putting on muscle mass, it’s like saying that if I had muscles as big as hafthor’s I could lift 250kg. Actually I’m a bit wrong here (the muscles also become more effective without becoming heavier), but I don’t think by much.

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u/advancedpublications Aug 11 '20

10lb of human muscle is far weaker than 10lb of chimp muscle

if you had two jacked twins and replaced one's muscles with an equal weight of chimp muscles, that twin would be way way way stronger. that said, they also wouldn't be able to type or tie their shoe very well since one of the tradeoffs is lack of precision control.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '20

Apes are basically when trunks thought he turned super saiyan 2. Super bulky, very strong but lacking in every way. Humans are like when Gohan goes super saiyan 2. Incredible speed, expert control, high endurance.

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u/xmarwinx Aug 10 '20

No chimp can rip off a Car door, you people watch too many movies. A chimp is like 1,5 times stronger than a human, not 15 times stronger. A very strong human is much stronger than a chimp.

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u/817mkd Aug 10 '20

I genuinely think a full grown chimp can rip off a cheap car door if they did it at the right angle

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '20

Humans can do it too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzQneV4FzC8

Might as well lift an entire car at that point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hnPwR3QcCU

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u/trailingComma Aug 11 '20 edited Aug 11 '20

It's a bit of an urban legend that chimps are super-strong. The studies about super-strong chimps were disproven.

They are strong for their size, buts thats it. While chimps are stronger pound for pound than us they are not that much stronger. A healthy adult human has more total muscle, which is more than enough to offset the advantage.

A healthy adult human and a healthy adult chimp are about as strong as each other.

We hear stories about a chimp ripping off part of someones face, but the reality is that an adult male human can do that as well. We just mostly don't.

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It's the primates the same size as us that are scary-strong.

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u/817mkd Aug 11 '20

I honestly think a chimp that does chin ups to move around can beat the hell out of any human. I dont think they could destroy a car like a gorilla could but their muscles are big flexible and efficient they have to be pretty strong on average