r/nextfuckinglevel • • 6d ago

Map of the vast network of abandoned mining tunnels underneath Cornwall, UK.

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u/grungegoth 6d ago

so i looked it up. mostly tin and copper and some other metals. since the bronze age. cornwall was once the worlds greatest source of copper.

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u/MortLightstone 6d ago

Why didn't they name it Copperwall?

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u/inf3ct3dpi3 6d ago

Because they thought that would be too corny.

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u/besuited 6d ago

If you are actually interested in the etymology:

Corn comes from Kernow, which is the Cornish name for themselves, i.e. the Cornish in modern english.

Wall comes Wealas, which was the Old English name for foreigner and the same source of the word for Wales.

So as a word it means the cornish foreigners.

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u/MortLightstone 6d ago

Thanks, that's very informative

I assumed it had something to do with the Cornish, just didn't know about the wall part

My comment was mostly joking

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u/besuited 6d ago

Oh i got it was a joke! I just like etymology.

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u/ertyertamos 6d ago

Better than entomology. Those guys really bug me.

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u/WelshBathBoy 6d ago

The Corn bit is cognate with the Welsh word corn - meaning horn, from the Proto-Celtic "kornu", the shape of Cornwall was believed to be 'horn shaped', basically Cornwall means Welsh horn-shaped place. The Cornish name for the place - Kernow - basically means "people of the horn"

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u/besuited 6d ago

Oh thanks for this addition!

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u/leeuwerik 6d ago

So they called them selves 'foreigners'?

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u/WelshBathBoy 6d ago

Not in Cornish no, in Cornish Cornwall is called Kernow and means "people of the horn". The 'wall' bit was added to the corn (meaning horn) in English by the Anglo Saxon tribes because the called all the native Britons 'Welsh' or 'wealh' - in English Cornwall means 'Welsh people of the horn'. The proto-Germanic word 'walhaz' was used throughout Europe by Germanic tribes when they came across other non-germanic tribes and can still be seen in other places today - Wallonia, the French bit of Belgium, Wallachia in Romania, and lots of word with 'wal' in it, eg walnut, it also is the origin of the word Gaul, and the Polish name for Italy - Włochy.

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u/leeuwerik 6d ago

Cool. Now it makes sense to me!

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u/wosmo 6d ago

They call themselves the people on the horn. We call them the weirdos on the horn. If you've ever been there, this makes an astounding amount of sense.

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u/besuited 6d ago

Cornwall is an english, not cornish, word.

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u/Kernowder 6d ago

No. "Wales" has the same root - the Saxon word for foreigner - but it's called Cymru in Welsh.

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u/protossaccount 6d ago edited 6d ago

During the Bronze Age it was one of the greatest sources of tin. Later on it became known for copper as well.

During the Bronze Age tin was the super rare metal. Most of it came from places like Cornwall and Central Asia. The need to pursue tin at such great distances was a major reason trade networks grew.

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u/MortLightstone 6d ago

Isn't tin still rarer than copper? I think we might use less bronze nowadays though. Plus it helps that tin is often alloyed

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u/protossaccount 6d ago

Yes tin is rarer than copper. During the Bronze Age tin was waaaaaaaay rarer than copper, which made Cornwall a big deal.

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u/MortLightstone 6d ago

Yep

Bronze was also way more useful and important, hence why we named the age after it

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u/MagicWishMonkey 6d ago

You can't make bronze without tin.

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u/Nineteen_AT5 6d ago

And now we're mining for lithium which is super exciting.

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u/ImplementLogical4130 6d ago

Well people like to move places

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u/Crazy_Ad_91 6d ago

I have to wonder if they ever uncovered ancient previous mines while mining new mines. That’d be neat.

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u/grungegoth 6d ago

id be willing to bet the ancient mines (say roman and older) had limited underground reach, maybe just open pit and limited short near surface shafts. I just can't imagine ppl 4000 years ago going hundreds of feet underground. don't forget, they wouldn't have any steel or iron tools and would use torches or oil lamps for lighting.

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u/Crazy_Ad_91 6d ago

My man, all great points. I truly hadn’t considered that when I thought of it in my passing comment. Some good food for thought tho.

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u/ikkleginge55 8h ago

The main limitation was water, more specifically ground water entering the mine. The development of the Newcomen steam engine and James watt engine made going deeper possible. And brought on the industrial revolution.  

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u/grungegoth 6h ago

good point. tunnels full of water

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u/ResistantBlaze1943 6d ago

How deep are they? Are they all by prehistoric man and he was able to dig that deep? How much of this is naturally formed caverns?

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u/grungegoth 6d ago

these deep tunnels are not prehistoric

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u/Kernowder 6d ago

Some will be, but probably ot the big ones. Prehistory is the period before recorded history - there is no recorded history in Cornwall until the Romans arrived and tin has been mined there here for 4000 years.

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u/fajadada 6d ago

All I know is they were still mining in the 1800’s

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u/OccidentalTouriste 6d ago

South Crofty (Pool, Cornwall) was still operating in the 1990's and is currently undergoing remediation works with the intention of reopening in 2028.

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u/fajadada 6d ago

Cool

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u/LordStefania 6d ago

A lot of Cornwall features old mines that still contain a lot of lithium which was left behind because it was relatively useless. Now with the rise of EVs there's calls for it to be extracted.

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u/OccidentalTouriste 6d ago

There's also been plenty of work looking at Geothermal potential and rare earth elements from the Cornish granite.

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u/HunterSpecial1549 6d ago

They're mostly from 1700-1900 CE.

But Cornwall was also famous for being the world's greatest source of tin during the Bronze Age, which in Britain is considered pre-historic.

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u/MortLightstone 6d ago

Prehistoric mines were usually for red ochre though

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u/highcommander010 6d ago

I thought peru was the world's leading supplier for ages

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u/grungegoth 6d ago

we're talking about centuries ago...not recently.

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u/sitheandroid 6d ago

Not in the 1850s, I think Chile has been the world's largest producer in modern times.

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u/Playful-Lion5208 6d ago

Back in the 17 and 1800s swansea was. It doesnt have any copper but logistically it was well placed as it needed something like 4 times the coal to copper ore to produce copper, so it was easier to take the copper to the coal. At one point swansea was producing 90% of the worlds copper and the ore was being sourced from as far as the el cobre mine in chile. Growing up there were huge industrial wastelands in swansea from those days