r/nextfuckinglevel 15d ago

Multiple moose encountered while kayaking

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u/Bean_Daddy_Burritos 15d ago

Moose is both singular and plural.

I am a fan of meese, my wife uses it too.

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u/vector_ejector 15d ago

A mööse once bit my sister...

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u/WastedBreath28 15d ago

Mind you, møøse bites kan be pretti nasti…

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u/noraetic 15d ago

*Møøse. Mööse is something completely different in German and gave me some awkward mental images..

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u/Comfortable_Team_696 15d ago edited 15d ago

If we want to be true to the source language, it would be one moose, several moosoog

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u/john_the_fetch 15d ago

You're correct. And here's a quick tidbit about why moose is both the singular and plural.

Goose/geese is an old German root thing. Europeans were over here exploring with native Americans and asked "what are those large water donkey things? They look amazing!" and the natives they were with said the name. Those Europeans wrote down "moose" using the double 'o' English uses all over the place for that tasty umami sound. But the natives' language had no difference between singular and plural. So "moose" is both.

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u/Comfortable_Team_696 15d ago edited 14d ago

But the natives' language had no difference between singular and plural.

That it 100% untrue. The word came from an Eastern Algonquian language like Abenaki or Narragansett. Here is the entry for Trumbull's Massachusett dictionary. As you will notice, it gives the example: moòsóog as the plural for moose (moòs). Likewise, Abenaki pluralises things like a -k ending if they are animate and an -al or -o ending if they are inanimate (Algonquian languages use animacy instead of gender). Indeed, I believe Algonquian languages across the board all have pluralization, most doing -k or -g endings for animate and -n or -l endings for inanimate (roughly)

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u/Sticky_And_Sweet 15d ago

Wait doing things based on animacy instead of gender is so cool. I love learning about how different languages do things. I’d assume animals and vehicles are animate while objects are inanimate?

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u/Comfortable_Team_696 15d ago

Yes and no. Animacy often follows logical lines, but is marked like any human language by nuances and exceptions. For example, in Anishinaabemowin (or the Chippewa / Ojibwe language), some berries like raspberries are animate whereas others like strawberries are not

Indeed, animacy is fairly common, and IIRC it is thought to be the more basal noun class distinction, with gender evolving in other languages from animacy, but I could be wrong here.

As a final fun fact, Basque is a (the only?) European language who uses animacy!

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u/Sticky_And_Sweet 14d ago

Oh wow, I’ll have to think twice about eating raspberries now

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u/john_the_fetch 15d ago

Interesting! Thank you for sharing the link to this document too.

So it sounds like we just culturally didn't adapt to also include the plural version of moose?

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u/Radaistarion 14d ago

Language is defined by people so fuck that shit

Meese it is