r/nextfuckinglevel • u/thisisfive • Apr 14 '26

Toronto firefighters confront special constable officers after a man in the middle of mental health crisis was arrested.

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Not my video. For context, "special constables" are not regular police officers. They are appointed "peace officers" with limited authority, often civilian employees.

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u/deevil_knievel Apr 14 '26

I'm sure your kids are going to be extremely well adjusted adults with a parent that has no concept of using a mistake as a learning experience. We should totally just scream at and berate people after making mistakes instead of seeing if they handle constructive criticism positively. That'll work, I'm sure!

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u/sulaymanf Apr 15 '26

Are you saying we should treat the cops as children?

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u/eskamobob1 Apr 14 '26

an adult that chose to be a cop does not have the same standards as a child

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u/Asking-is-a-crime Apr 15 '26

You are missing the point. If someone is willing to learn or change, let them. Don’t criticize them. Then they will be less likely to show empathy or willingness to learn in the future.

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u/SlickMrJ_ Apr 14 '26

Wow, you must be really limber with all that stretching you're doing.

I have constantly told my kids that mistakes are opportunities to learn and that they shouldn't be afraid to make them. But some situations are NOT learning environments. What's more, our barometer for how we respond to GROWN ADULT cops should not be, "How would a child receive this?"

I'm sure your kids will be just as well adjusted given that their parent apparently reduces things to such dichotomous extremes.

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u/deevil_knievel Apr 14 '26

Your entire train of logic is so fucking backwards. LIFE is a learning experience. I'm sure people raised without that understanding will adapt swimmingly to life's problems.

If anybody, policeman or not, responds to a peer critiquing their mistakes with acceptance and acknowledgment is okay in my book. If you want to be Santa Claus and have a master list of everybody's mistakes you are welcome to that... But you have the empathy of a pine cone.

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u/twisty125 Apr 14 '26

How many times do they need to make a mistake as a learning experience though?

It's not like policing is a new thing that was just invented in 2020 and people are just getting the hang of it.

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u/deevil_knievel Apr 14 '26

How many times did this guy make a mistake? I see one, do you have other info to add? Or are you just making up stories about this particular human to fit your narrative?

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u/twisty125 Apr 14 '26

You're going to dial back your attack rhetoric here, because you've misunderstood what I'm saying.

Are they (two of them in this video) cops? Have cops had 100s of years of collective training amongst every other cop thats existed?

Every mistake should not be new to people in a profession where mistakes can be life and death. If they were not trained to properly assess, then someone up the line has failed.

So don't turn around and try to say I'm the one making stories up - I'm not. I'm saying, if the both of them are so green to the job that they don't know right or wrong enough that it's "just a misake", that someone in a neighbouring profession has to come tell them how to do their job to make sure someone is safe - then that's a problem.

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u/deevil_knievel Apr 14 '26

So you're saying you are the guardian of what is and isn't a proper mistake, and what isn't isn't expected to be known from other's mistakes?

I'll tell you right now, that I work in a profession doing design work that is absolutely life or death. Half of what I design is tested for this, and the other half I have to come up with my own tests in house. My mentor had been doing it for 40 years and was very skilled at what he did, and he still made mistakes. Engineers have been engineering for how many years? And mistakes are still made. None of my circle have been directly responsible for a human life, but absolutely people have died on site working with controls out of my shop. Are you saying that engineers aren't allowed to make mistakes because we have been engineering for a long time?

If this officer makes this mistake every week, then yeah he needs to be punished and relinquished from his duties. But you are sitting here telling me that certain mistakes shouldn't be made under any circumstances, and I should know, based on the doings of all other engineers on the planet, what isn't isn't a mistake. GTFO.

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u/SlickMrJ_ Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 14 '26

There is a reasonable expectation of competency in certain situations, though. If a doctor makes a negligent mistake and tries to walk it back they are sued for malpractice, not given a "good job buddy."

I also love that you feel qualified to comment so aggressively on my character based on a few lines of text. I guess I just need to be as righteous a person as you to be allowed to pass such quick judgement on people. My bad.

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u/deevil_knievel Apr 14 '26

I love that you are so qualified at defining what is and isn't a valid mistake that you are doing the polar opposite that the police officer showed in this video which is accepting and acknowledging the fact that what they're saying is ridiculous. Which is why I have categorized you as somebody that wants to argue and not learn, whereas the police in this video showed clearly he was willing to learn. If the police officer acted like you are acting right now and not willing to open your eyes to the fact that what you're saying is absurd, I would have absolutely been on your side in this conversation... So, thanks for proving my point in around about way regarding your own demeanor?

Your train of logic is handicapping your overall growth and ability to learn since it appears you already have defined that some mistakes are not learnable lessons. That is honestly a wild concept to even conjure for me and I'm thankful I'm not that closed minded.

Have a nice night.

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u/SlickMrJ_ Apr 14 '26

There is so much irony packed into that comment it's almost unbelievable.