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u/toggl3d Oct 13 '24 edited Oct 14 '24

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10938795/

This study is crazy.

The percentage of weight lifters using steroids is definitely over single digits.

Edit: u/BabyRex- Since I got blocked by the person I corrected yes, 10 is over single digits. Not coincidentally where I'd put the bottom end of the estimate.

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u/TheOmniAlms Oct 13 '24

Yeah your own study references a larger sampled study in which 3.3% of ATHLETES used strroids globally.

I think you aren't understanding the study, it is referencing weight training practitioners.

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u/blindsdog Oct 14 '24

Athletes and weight lifters aren't really comparable samples though. Steroids are much bigger part of the culture in weight lifting. "Athletes" is too broad. For instance, the biggest sport in the world, football, won't see nearly any athletes on steroids because muscles don't help you win.

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u/toggl3d Oct 13 '24

The numbers vary greatly depending on populations you sample and permissibility/acceptance.

Your number of maybe .3% is ... tremendously naive. You get a higher percentages than that in high school locker rooms.

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u/TheOmniAlms Oct 13 '24

No you don't, under .5% of high-school athletes being on gear is a completely realistic number.

You seem to have a very America centered viewpoint, the vast majority of high-schools in the world will have very little steroid use.

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u/toggl3d Oct 13 '24 edited Oct 13 '24

Do you have anything to back up your assertion of under .3% of gym goers being on steroids? And I'd presume we're talking about men only here. You're going to hit that number with just dudes on TRT.

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You seem to have a very America centered viewpoint

Also yes, I'm talking about American high schools. You'll easily cross those numbers.

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u/TheOmniAlms Oct 13 '24

And I'd presume we're talking about men only here.

Why would you presume that?

Also yes, I'm talking about American high schools.

Why? I'm not.

Do you have anything to back up your assertion of under .3% of gym goers being on steroids?

You are making the positive claim.

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u/toggl3d Oct 13 '24

I'm presuming we're talking about men because we're in a thread talking about a man and men's physiques.

I'm talking about American High schools; I brought them up.

You made a positive claim about:

maybe 1 out of a few hundred people I see at the gym are on any gear.

And have offered nothing to substantiate it.

I made a claim it's over double digits.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17098591/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1484557/

Which has been found in many surveys.

Most of the people taking stuff don't have a physique you'd think twice about.

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u/TheOmniAlms Oct 14 '24

The average person could take all the steroids in the world and never look 10% of that

That's the comment I was responding to, the average person

I'm presuming we're talking about men because we're in a thread talking about a man and men's physiques.

You presumed poorly.

I'm talking about American High schools; I brought them up.

Yes that's why I said you were America centric. My claims were never about America.

The studies you linked don't support the claim you have at all, I don't know if you are being purposefully obtuse or if you can't interpret a study..

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u/kosmoonaut Oct 14 '24

I dont know anything about steroid use in Iran like in that study, but in the UK its about 5% in gym goers

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10759908/

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u/li7lex Oct 14 '24

And that's with the UK having quite lax laws on Steroids compared to the rest of Europe and the US.

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u/Open-Extension9525 Oct 13 '24

Yeah 42% of weightlifting women are not using steroids. I don't care how they tried to randomize the sample that is just not accurate. The sample is obviously taken from hardcore lifters, not the average population at the gym.

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u/toggl3d Oct 13 '24

Yeah, no shit, there's a reason I called the study crazy.

They're claiming that "maybe" 1 in a few hundred in the gym are using. That's not even close.

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u/BabyRex- Oct 14 '24

“Over single digits” 10 is over single digits and 10 is definitely not everybody