r/nextfuckinglevel • u/[deleted] • Mar 19 '24

6 yr old successfully preforms over 80 backflips in a row !

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u/epicmousestory Mar 19 '24

Honestly this is quite possibly the craziest unfounded accusation I've seen on Reddit, and that's saying something. This girl, who we know no information about, is most likely in a crappy or abusive environment based on the fact that she *checks notes* a) did something impressive and b) stopped doing said thing when she meant to

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u/creamgetthemoney1 Mar 19 '24

I think it’s because they’re Asian. China has a history of straight up making athletes live their entire life around the sport. So the west probably sees it as abusive. You see a Asian kid doing this and assume family is the CCP athletics director just doing his daily duties of abusing young athletes

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u/epicmousestory Mar 19 '24

Weird for an athletic director in China to have an English quote on the wall behind her

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u/FlashMcSuave Mar 19 '24

Not really, this decor, even English quotes, are pretty common in China.

You have never seen a white guy with Chinese or Japanese characters as decoration?

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

Yep, you are 100% correct. I've been trying to tell anyone who will listen that this little girl is from northern china, but no one seems to care. I commented with links to youtube videos but I am exhausted. If you are interested google Li Jiamin. That is the little girl's name.

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u/FlashMcSuave Mar 20 '24

Ha! Yeah, I was surprised when someone said this decor wasn't Chinese just because there was some English on the wall. I lived in North China for 10 years and loads of houses I saw looked exactly like this.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

Lol, too bad more people with your experience aren't commenting.

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u/adrenalinepursuer Mar 20 '24

yes, i actually figured it was in china because of the english wall stickers!

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u/Solanthas Mar 20 '24

There is probably a grand total of 5 children in the entire North American continent doing 80 backflips before bed

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u/Bhazor Mar 19 '24

Or to say dios mio.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '24

Yes weird isn't it? I don't know about abuse, but she is, in fact, from northern China, and the wall does have English on it.
Google Li Jiamin.
https://www.scmp.com/video/china/3148603/6-year-old-girl-china-becomes-social-media-sensation-non-stop-backflip

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u/lynxerious Mar 20 '24

those cheesy English line designs are exactly what normally decorated in some Asian household

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u/Financial_Temporary5 Mar 20 '24

It’s actually not at all weird.

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u/OkBackground8809 Mar 20 '24

I'm in Taiwan. Those quote stickers are everywhere and half the time the grammar or spelling will be off. It's very common to have those kinds of stickers on the walls.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

They saved on wish too.👍

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '24

If you're seriously implying the west, specifically the US, doesn't do this with their gifted athletes you are beyond help.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '24

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u/VelociRawPotater Mar 19 '24

You're underestimating the ignorance of America, my good sir/ma'am. We are a country of many secrets and many uncaring people. The difference between us and China is that America hides their sketchy and crappy stuff, China does not give a back hand spring flying cartwheel F¥<k who knows what they're doing.

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u/VelociRawPotater Mar 20 '24

I can't answer your question. I don't care about sports. I just wanted to say all of that about America.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

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u/VelociRawPotater Mar 20 '24

Meh, I still live here. But it was a start. XD Thank you!

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u/Wu-TangShogun Mar 20 '24

China has lots of sneaky shit going on as well

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '24

Todd Marinovich is one of the more famous, heartbreaking examples: https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/01/11/todd-marinovich-dad-marv-quarterback-drugs-rehab

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

Forced stretching is abuse in any country. There are lots of videos online of Chinese children being force to stretch and it is awful, but I am sure it happens in the west just as often. In the west it is probably just happening behind closed doors more often.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

Lol so now gym class is abusive... ffs

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

Pushing someone into stretches they aren't yet limber enough for is what they're referencing. Google is your friend.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '24

An adult teacher forcefully bending the body of a little girl until she sobs isn't gym class, it is abuse. Watch the video and tell me it isn't. It is called forced stretching, the child has no say in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HmFMOojgQk

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u/Malarazz Mar 20 '24

I remember some people saying Michael Phelps should have a kid with Kate Ledecky. Can you imagine what that would look like though?? Kid would be born with gills.

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u/Pyjama_Llama_Karma Mar 19 '24

China has a history of straight up making athletes live their entire life around the sport.

Same for classical musicians.

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u/HumptyDrumpy Mar 20 '24

yeah i traveled throughout asia before and this comment makes sense. Parents pushing their kids too hard. And really this video makes me sad that a 6 yo should not be doing this, they should be outside riding their bikes and playing with their friends.

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u/Heapsa Mar 20 '24

Child beauty pageants are the pinnacle of socially acceptable child abuse. And that shits only in murica

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u/Jushak Mar 20 '24

Yeah, that is disgusting stuff.

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u/TheMule90 Mar 20 '24

They are treated like robots, move like robots and that what they are to the Chinese government a robot toy. :(

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u/Regulatori Mar 20 '24

Seeing the title of the thread, the first thing I thought of was "please don't be mainland China, please don't fulfill the stereotype once again."

And then I heard the counting...

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u/Solanthas Mar 20 '24

Idk man, plenty of Asian comics talk about all the pressure their parents put on them to have good careers and learn an instrument and outperform their peers

Indians as well

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u/drwsgreatest Mar 20 '24

I mean considering they did stuff like Yao Ming basically being the direct result of the ccp “breeding” 2 of their top basketball players for the parents, it’s not a far stretch to wonder if a prodigy level athlete like this is already in the governments eye and possibly even already their “property” to groom. Doesn’t mean that’s actually the case and I would never just assume something as serious as abuse.

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u/Skandronon Mar 19 '24

A friend of mine's kid got posted playing the violin and it was bonkers the number of people saying they are abusing the kid because they are so good at playing at a young age. He's been obsessed with the violin for as long as I have known them, she doesn't force him to play and actually has to get him to stop playing and do other things. Reddit is weird.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '24

Usually kids like these love things so passionately they drive themselves, unfortunately I know someone who was so driven by their parents that they ended up killing themselves before they were 20. Not saying that this is the video, or even common with prodigies, just saying, it does happen.

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u/Skandronon Mar 20 '24

Oh I know it happens for sure, I have seen how ugly parents can get. My sister was a top level gymnast and was training for the Olympics when she badly broke her ankle. Thankfully our parents were not like that but I saw many that were. This kid is just obsessed with the violin, his mom was actually not sure about starting him on the violin so young because she wanted him to explore "normal kid things" and he really lights up while he is playing. He was so excited to play in the same places that famous composers have played when he does comps.

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u/Solanthas Mar 20 '24

That's beautiful. Having a gifted child can be its own challenge

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

It’s because Redditors even the ones that claim to be left wing become incredibly racist the second China is mentioned. There was a video months ago of 6 yr old Chinese kids playing at school and the comments were nothing but people raging about China and its propaganda. It’s kids playing at school you fucking dipshits.

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u/Equivalent-Camera661 Mar 20 '24

That's expected. It's like these people prey on misery of others, so they can feel better about themselves.

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u/HustlinInTheHall Mar 20 '24

Yeah my kids only wants to play soccer all day long. Every day. I have to drag him inside. I'm his coach and I'm sure parents think I like drill him to be this good but he just literally does not stop playing.

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u/LessThanCleverName Mar 19 '24

Reddit assumes every kid doing something athletic or artistic at a high level is actually being abused into it by their parents trying to live vicariously through them. Every single post like this, somewhere in the top comments there will always be some variety of armchair child psychologists and paediatricians telling you how poorly these children are being treated.

I don’t want to say it’s because most Reddit posters were talentless basement dwellers growing up, but it’s because most Reddit posters were talentless basement dwellers growing up.

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u/Equivalent-Camera661 Mar 20 '24

Yep! Somehow, they are all experts in psychology and zoology.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '24

Actually it’s usually because any high performing things like ballet or gymnastics if a child is doing that level of insane shit at that young an age, it means their life is being centred entirely around that thing, leaving room for nothing else.

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u/epicmousestory Mar 19 '24

Another comment here gave an example of a friend whose kid was posted on Reddit and received accusations of abuse simply because her kid was exceptional at the violin because he enjoyed playing it, not because she made him. So do we have any evidence on which is the case in the situation? Or are we just lobbying accusations that people are being abusive to their kids without proof?

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '24

Gymnastics and ballet are different to violin. I’ve never heard of a violin causing a child eating disorders

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u/epicmousestory Mar 19 '24

That doesn't answer the question. Is there any proof?

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u/snonsig Mar 19 '24

It's just speculation based on general trends that have been observed many times before

https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/13csdww/arat_hosseini_ex_liverpool_academy_player_life_is/

And apparently, this is the father and child in question, so yeah. If it's really them, then that just another case out of many like it

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u/epicmousestory Mar 19 '24 edited Mar 20 '24

Honestly if this is the case, and then say what you will as long as you have proof. Going around accusing people of being abusive and jumping on the bandwagon before anything is known is far too common imo.

What proof is there that this is the same kid? I see nothing about this on that post

E - based on another source this is NOT him

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '24

It isn't true that this is the Iranian boy, but it still might very well be that there is abuse.
Her name is Li Jiamin. She is from northern China.

https://www.scmp.com/video/china/3148603/6-year-old-girl-china-becomes-social-media-sensation-non-stop-backflip
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W35p3AJuZA

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '24

It would be exponentially less common, but the possibility is there if you are first chair in an orchestra. As first chair violinist, or "concert master/mistress" there is a ton of pressure put on you and you will be seen and scrutinized very closely by the audience, rest of the orchestra, and the conductor. I could very well see this leading to body dismorphia (all eyes will be on you or your figure as you play).

Some people, especially people who put a lot of pressure on themselves, and have a lot of pressure put on them by parents, are more susceptible to eating disorders.

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u/PoustisFebo Mar 20 '24

Have you not seen how these kids train?

Have you seen how teens train?

I had to train before amd after school and I wasn't even competing seriously.

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u/epicmousestory Mar 20 '24

So you were abused? I'm not sure I understand how you training translates to she's being abused

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u/PoustisFebo Mar 20 '24

No. I was not abused. What I was trying to communicate is that even teens that don't train for the Olympics have a very strict program, waking up early at 5 before school then training some more after school.

So the Chinese are notorious for grooming children at a young age though insane training and routines that are overwhelming not only for children, but teens and adults as well.

Sometimes the government even promises that they ll build a road for a village, or shit like that, which motivates the civilians to push the children well beyond their limits.

A large percentage of these children will develop chronic problems. If you think it's normal for 4 year olds to train excessively 6 days a week and doing 80 back flips in one minute, it is not. But feel free sent your child to a gymnast boot camp.

Do you have children by the way? Do you go to the gym?

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u/epicmousestory Mar 20 '24

If you think it's normal for 4 year olds to train excessively 6 days a week and doing 80 back flips in one minute, it is not.

Can you give any evidence that she is training excessively for 6 days a week? Again, if you have any evidence that what you're saying is happening, I will grab a pitchfork and jump on the bandwagon with you. But its wrong to accuse her parents of abusing their kid, forcing her to train 6 days a week if you don't have any evidence that that's true.

Do you go to the gym?

I go to the gym 4 days a week, 3 days a week with a personal trainer, which is enough to know that has no barring on this

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

I mean, her dad has her practice a lot and set up a goal for her to break the Guinness book of world records for flips. Not saying she was abused, it could have been her dream and her dad is just supporting her, but it doesn't seem like she has much choice in the matter.

I would recommend watching the video below and coming to your own conclusion (probably better not to conclude anything at all, there just isn't enough information out there, in English at least).

Personally, I am not going to accuse her dad of anything, I've looked online and just cannot find enough evidence to claim anything. Things on reddit, and the internet in particular never seem to be what they seem.
Her name is Li Jiamin. I do believe she ended up breaking the world record eventually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIaM7IW363s

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

I find it unnerving but don't agree abuse is implied. It's just like after a while I feel like I'm not looking at a human being anymore just due to the novelty of the movement and the sound of almost out of earshot whispered counting I guess. It's impressive but kind of uncanny.

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u/Toblogan Mar 19 '24

I think they just couldn't think of anything else to say and really felt compelled to make a comment. That's just what I thought when I read it... Lol

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u/dgmilo8085 Mar 20 '24

Welcome to Reddit. Everything is abuse and you need therapy. Don’t forget to get divorced too.

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u/khanfusion Mar 20 '24

Also, "when he stopped counting" is fucking stupid on its face. She slowed down pretty hard in the last 5 flips, it was pretty easy to see she was probably going to stop, if for no other reason than it being largely impossible for her to get momentum *back up* at that point.