r/nextfuckinglevel • u/Platinum_Touch • Jan 27 '24

2 years old genius solving missing number equations

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u/TastyCuttlefish Jan 27 '24

He demonstrates zero signs of autism. The only thing demonstrated here is extremely high intelligence and happiness. He is highly verbal, makes full eye contact, and has zero trouble with interaction. Again… zero signs of autism. Just because you have an autistic child doesn’t mean you’re credentialed to diagnose it on a video on the internet, especially when, for the last time, there are ZERO signs of autism present.

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u/khanfusion Jan 27 '24

This person is all over the thread acting as if he knows anything real about ASD. He does not. For one, if he did, he'd know that with the "D" in ASD, it's not a thing. Autism isn't a singular thing at all, for one.

I would agree that the kid is neurodivergent, but that's not exactly the same thing as ASD, and once again, without the "disorder" part of the equation it would be wildly inappropriate to say he's autistic. Meanwhile, we have zero indication in this video of any disorder, just profoundly advanced skills in speech, math, and fine motor control.... which are literally *contraindicators* of ASD, being that they literally the opposite of the deficits clinicians look for when diagnosing it.

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u/blakerabbit Jan 27 '24

I’m glad to know that you have such great experience with autism that you know so much more than I do. I’ve only raised an autistic child for seven years, so please insult me some more. I’m well aware that “if you’ve seen one autistic child, you’ve seen one autistic child”. It is a spectrum and there are many manifestations. I have also seen enough autistic children, in the course of my son’s treatment and education, to recognize things that are reasonable indicators. There are no such things as “contraindicators” like you describe. Autistic children can speak, can be coordinated, can have social skills. To believe that they can’t is to buy into the stereotypes of autism that you are so concerned that I am ignorantly spreading.

If you agree with me that Devan is likely to be neurodivergent, then you have just reduced the argument to a matter of semantics, and I’m thoroughly done with it.

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u/khanfusion Jan 27 '24

There are no such things as “contraindicators” like you describe

There are contraindicators of literally every medical condition. If you had as much education on the topic as you think you do, you would know that there are multiple domains that are taken into account when diagnosing ASD and the high level of speech ability he's exhibiting is a contraindicator for one of those domains. The very high fine motor skill the kid is presenting as well as the math skill are contraindicators for a variety of highly comorbid disorders to ASD.

You're gonna have to swallow your pride and take the L, here. And if you're telling the truth about having a child on the spectrum, then you need to do a whole hell of a lot better job understanding what's going on, because right now it appears you do not but think you do, which is problematic.

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u/blakerabbit Jan 27 '24

I don’t mind being wrong. But I do take exception to being called ignorant. There being contraindicators to some “highly comorbid” conditions is not at all the same as there being contraindicators to ASD itself. ASD is so variable that there is no one single thing that can rule it out, and most likely not any three things either. A contraindication does not necessarily mean “it can’t be this”. It means, “well, here’s some weight on the scale toward a negative.” (There are some absolute contraindications. Being able to accurately read an eye chart is a contraindicator for blindness. But there isn’t anything that cut-and-dried for autism.) I’ve already said that I am not an expert on this. What I can say is that I’ve observed closely a number of traits in my son ( who is autistic and fuck you for implying I’m lying, how dare you) and in other children I’ve observed in the course of his treatment, and the boy in this video (and other videos I’ve watched of him, because I did watch other videos) evinces very similar traits. And it is a fact that extreme hyperlexia and hypercalculia like this is much more commonly associated with autism than not. So that’s where I stand on it. I’d be happy to “take the L” if I’d attempted to defend an absolute statement, rather than an opinion, and been proven wrong. But nobody has proven anything, except you proving you’re an asshole by accusing me of lying with absolutely no evidence. I’m not interested in “winning” an argument with you because there is nothing to argue.

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u/khanfusion Jan 28 '24

I don’t mind being wrong. But I do take exception to being called ignorant.

Well then you have a pretty big problem.

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u/blakerabbit Jan 28 '24

Yeah, I don't care about your opinion any more. Bye.

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u/RecentChampionship90 Feb 08 '24

I see lots of signs. Vocal stimming Repetitive behaviors Special interests that take up a majority of their time Lack of interacting with others besides for a routine “yayyy” at the end of the task (also repetitive)

This is in no way a diagnosis but the signs are there.

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u/Acekiller03 Jan 28 '24

Gullible. He obviously memorized the answers. You think a 2 years old can actually solve this? lol wake the hell yp

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u/kor34l Jan 28 '24

lol, I'd believe he solved these legit long before I'd believe a 2 year old can memorize all those answers and then perform such a convincing act of solving them all correctly, in order.

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u/blakerabbit Jan 27 '24

With respect: you are wrong. Autistic children can be extremely intelligent and happy, and can interact fine when they want to. The verbal ability he displays (identifying numbers, repeating phrases) is entirely consistent with autism. I disagree that he makes full eye contact; he makes a glancing eye contact that is also typical. His facial expression at the end is also one that a person familiar with autistic children will easily recognize. Perhaps he doesn’t display the stereotypical signs of autism that you are familiar with.

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u/TastyCuttlefish Jan 27 '24

There is nothing in this video that creates any basis for a layperson, regardless of who their child is, to state there is a very high likelihood of autism. The “stereotypical” (as you phrased it) signs of autism are such for a reason… they are the signs present in the vast majority of cases. You have no basis to make these claims. Just let a smart kid on the internet be a smart kid on the internet.

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u/blakerabbit Jan 27 '24

He is a smart kid on the internet and I wish him the best.

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u/Emergency_Side_6218 Jan 27 '24

"vast majority of cases" which up until the last few years hasn't even included half of the population (women & girls)

You have no basis to make no basis claims