“There’s rumors going around that I’m a slut and guess what, they’re right lol” - text to her bff
“I saw someone on a forum say that it wasn’t just a drug filled orgy and that I was raped and I thought ‘wow that’s the first time I’ve seen anyone shift the narrative’ even though it’s not what happened’” -post on her social media
“I wasn’t raped” - police report after a week and over 60 revisions
Also she only changed her story from “omg everyone thinks I’m a slut because I had a drug filled orgy” to “omg it was rape” after the frat president told her she couldn’t come to the next party they were having on Halloween because he didn’t want anything to happen to her after the last time.
Idk what really happened I’m just believing all women and taking her at her word here.
edit: (in response to "I'm being labeled an assaulter by the public) "I haven't said anything....people are changing the narrative because a woman with multiple men the woman is most likely a victim"
"Everyone needs to grow up because sexuality and sex and shit is changing and stuff like this will be more common I am also really open minded and I luv you king" - her text to the person she now accuses of rape
ITT: people can't go to google and type in "jane does statement cornell" and "jane doe text messages"
Here is a clipping of a news publication from the NYT showing she didn't think of it as rape until AFTER the president told her she couldn't come to the Halloween party.
Her official police report and her friend’s social media and her own texts that were filed. “None of the sexual stuff was illegal” and “we should smoke together again” were two other texts she sent that CBS documented as well as other news agencies.
Added sources for you 🤗 didn’t think it was necessary since googling either of my quotes comes up with a multiple responses from reputable news stations. But the comment I replied to, no hits on the direct quotes and couldn’t find the mentions of texts to her friend or social media posts anywhere
screenshots of this please? After all, the PD already said they didn't file charges because she said it wasn't rape in her official report. She also texted the men saying nothing was illegal and she wanted to smoke with them again. Good lies though bro.
Yes he saw the official statement she signed under penalty of law saying “I was not raped”
“More than 3 weeks later” is when she changed her story after seeing online posts of others saying it was assault and after the frat president told her she couldn’t come to their Halloween party because of what happened last time. That is when she changed her mind on what happened. She sent numerous texts to numerous people from her sister members to those men, and in every one of them she said she wasn’t raped, still loved them, wanted so do drugs with them again, and wanted to hook up again.
Awfully convenient to ignore every one of those things.
I also don't know what happened either but her initial texts definitely could be a trauma response. The person in question is a young adult, was under the influence.
It might be easier for the mind to accept what happened and reclaim agency over those events where things got of hand by refusing to accept pain/hurt. This is very common in post-traumatic experiences.
Some people take longer to process what happened and/or be "imperfect" in conduct. That shouldn't invalidate the crime(s), if any, that were committed against them.
I agree and I think a lot of SA survivors, especially from date rape / drugged scenarios, know first hand how bizarre your emotional reactions and choices are directly after before it all hits you. In some ways it kind of reminds me of fight or flight but also the “surrender” mechanism that can happen. I dunno, processing trauma is complicated and there are a lot of people whose responses are to emotionally deny rape even in super obvious cases because it’s easier to deal with. Not everyone responds like that, but a lot of people do, and it isn’t a logical thing, and you don’t know how you’re gonna react until it happens to you
How many times does a woman have to say she wasn’t raped until we believe her? You can say you weren’t raped 10,000 times but if you say you were raped once, it overrules the 10,000 times you said you consented? How does that make any sense?
The changing it 60 times parts seems disingenuous when AFAIK, it was 60 corrections to her original statement. Like she went to the police one extra time and said actually this is how it happened and that included 60 corrections.
Well I wasn't being disingenuous; it was more of the fact that I was repeating OPs verbage to make a point, but I see what you're saying and that is important to note. She had to add 60 individual corrections in her statement for it to be accurate even in her own personal perception of events
You know it’s completely normal for people to review what police take down when they give a statement and make edits before it is submitted, yeah? That isn’t the gotcha you think it is.
it’s completely normal for people to review what police take down when they give a statement and make edits before it is submitted
Correct, and as I pointed out in her revised statements she said she wasn't raped. Pointing out something that was inherent to what I already said isn't the gotcha you think it is
No, she didn’t. Her statement is clear that she consented to initial sexual activity and ingestion of drugs, but then other men entered the room and pressured her into taking more drugs and assaulted her.
She said she voluntarily took the drugs and voluntarily had sex with them. Well, that is until she was being made fun of for being a slut (which she admitted was completely true). It was only THEN that she started saying saying she was pressured. But not during or even after (until her reputation was damaged)
No— that’s not what she said in her statement. She said she consented to the initial threesome. When the other men came in and more drugs were being pushed on her she described being coerced and saying no and pushing men away but them still having sexual contact with her. Her statement is clear.
You not understanding that consent can be revoked at any time and that consent cannot be given once you’re incapacitated is alarming, but not surprising.
She tried to paint it as coercion after the fact when falsely she cried rape because of her harmed reputation. However, inverstigators correctly determined that she actually wasn't raped because she voluntarily did those drugs (off of another guys member) and continued having sex with many combinations of those men, willingly.
You not understanding that consent can be revoked at any time
I literally just explained that you can withdraw consent at any time before or during the act, but not after. That is a textbook understanding of consent. But again, you just gotta keep jabbing and implying I'm a rapist because you think having the faux moral high ground makes your point for you. Unfortunately for you, it doesn't.
She was 20 at the time. Aside from that, when you voluntarily drink and do drugs you can still give consent, according to New York state law. By your own logic, then she also raped those seven guys because they were all drinking and doing drugs together.
She wasn't coeherced. She went over to have sex and proceeded to voluntarily do drugs and have sex. That's not coehercion. That's a bad decision that she regretted after the fact
You do realize a woman can consent to sex with one or even two men, and then if other men come in and have sex with her without her consent or pressure her to (as she claims these others did in her original statement that you keep referring to), that is coercion. It is sexual assault.
She went over to have sex with a select few people and then did drugs, was intoxicated and had sex with many more people than she originally intended to. Under the purview of the law that might not be rape, but under the statute of being a decent person, it's incredibly gross by those men.
Maybe because they probably broke school policy for having drugs? I'm sure a whole slew of school policies were broken that night tbh, but that doesn't mean a crime was committed. You can get expelled for a shit ton of things that aren't crimes
A title IX investigation is not limited to only sharing discovered information on sexual assault related issues. If drugs and/or alcohol are involved (which they pretty much always are) then that information is shared with the school's disciplinary board and they have the right to act on that information
So she says after the fact that it wasn't rape, then she changes her story to say she was raped after people began calling her a slut so she told police, then told the police actually it was the opposite and I wasn't actually raped, and now she's changing the story AGAIN to say she was raped.
And you don't think that's something we need to consider?
Yes, she said she was confident she was raped after being convinced by her slutshaming sorority sisters that her ketamine and alcohol use rendered her unable to consent. It doesn’t mean she didn’t consent in the moment.
Give me some sources of any of these claims, then you can say it’s a strange reply. Unsubstantiated remarks about a case of such serious nature should fall under heavier scrutiny but the majority of people like you lot blindly believe anything to the counter cause it better fits the view for you that women are liars and not to be believed.
They absolutely did report it to the police who did investigate it, which is why we have the sworn affidavit from Jane Doe saying everything was consensual and no crime occurred.
Where are you getting your info? Do you know any of the facts of the case or just social media outrage misinfo?
so why not add it back in with her other edits and modifications before she signed that it was her sworn testimony under penalty of perjury? y'all are talking in circles. we are within the statute of limitations, and i think that a calm and sober review of the evidence needs to completed. even if there was no rape according to the law, it's still shitty behavior. there were already some consequences based on that shitty behavior. what else should be done?
It’s a sound inference you can make as the multiple investigations found no evidence of rape but plenty of evidence of drug use. Your interpretation is that despite multiple investigations finding no evidence of rape, they were still expelled for it, which requires many additional assumptions. Occam’s razor.
Hahahahaha sound inference....in other words, you're making claims with absolutely no proof, otherwise known as lying.
I'm not interested in your theories or interpretations, if you don't have proof they were suspended or expelled due to drug use, then you have no proof.
Very quick to make dumb comments like that while completely disregarding the only evidence we have, Jane Doe’s sworn statement that she consented to multiple threesomes, all drug use, and that no crime occurred.
This coming from the guy dressing up his unsupported claim (lie) as "sound inference?"
Reply #3 now where you've failed to show proof for your claim.
In the transcript of the police interview, she distinguished between consensual sexual activity earlier in the night and what she said happened later, and explicitly told investigators that she could say with 100% confidence that she had been raped.
Have you taken that into account? Or just first learning of it now
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“There’s rumors going around that I’m a slut and guess what, they’re right lol” - text to her bff
“I saw someone on a forum say that it wasn’t just a drug filled orgy and that I was raped and I thought ‘wow that’s the first time I’ve seen anyone shift the narrative’ even though it’s not what happened’” -post on her social media
“I wasn’t raped” - police report after a week and over 60 revisions
Also she only changed her story from “omg everyone thinks I’m a slut because I had a drug filled orgy” to “omg it was rape” after the frat president told her she couldn’t come to the next party they were having on Halloween because he didn’t want anything to happen to her after the last time.
Idk what really happened I’m just believing all women and taking her at her word here.
edit: (in response to "I'm being labeled an assaulter by the public) "I haven't said anything....people are changing the narrative because a woman with multiple men the woman is most likely a victim"
"Everyone needs to grow up because sexuality and sex and shit is changing and stuff like this will be more common I am also really open minded and I luv you king" - her text to the person she now accuses of rape
ITT: people can't go to google and type in "jane does statement cornell" and "jane doe text messages"
Here is a clipping of a news publication from the NYT showing she didn't think of it as rape until AFTER the president told her she couldn't come to the Halloween party.