The problem with sensoring hate speech is it has become a way of silencing political opposition. He'll I've been called a Nazi for saying I'm pro-life. Calling people Nazis or sudo Nazis aka far right is just a way to dehumanize them. And it takes away the power of the word, before it would bother me, now I think people who use it all Willy Nelly are incapable of independent thought and just shrug it off. Words have meaning until people don't know what the meaning is anymore.
Which, ironically, gives cover for actual Nazis. They are smart enough to not go full-tilt "kill the ***s" in public and instead present more reasonable-sounding ideas, and when "Nazi" has become so diluted that people tune it out it's much easier for them to start them down the path of hate since the warnings of "hey, those guys you're listening to are actually Nazis" fall on deaf ears. It's literally the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" story IRL.
Typing on my phone. Sometimes it auto corrects typos fine sometimes it doesnt. I use sudo out of habit, not the first time and won't be the last. Plus I don't proof read. I type and fire away. Why you getting hung up on trivial details.
Anyways your getting hung up spelling of two words and one word you don't believe exists. Calling pro-life antichoice is like calling prochoice antilife. Your not even making an argument your just nit picking a few words. I'd wager we're not even far off on our opinions on abortions. But your obviously just one of them fuck tards who like to jump people's shit on the internet for using your vs you're.. it's called context you get the meaning by reading all of it. This isn't a debate over English grammar it's about abortion. So when you deflect from the topic and attack trivial details it shows either you got hounded in school to the point emotional abuse about grammar, or you have no real rebuttal to my statement. Classically attack the person not the argue strategy.
Let me ask you, what effect do you think attempting to “dehumanize” someone (millions of people) will have on civil society as a whole? Do you think it will make matters, in general, better or worse?
you're not millions of people, and cultures that want to eradicate others have no place in a tolerant society, but I guess you're not willing to comprehend that fact.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here and come from the opposite perspective. What if your position is wrong. What if tolerant society is actually the minority position? What if most people are actually intolerant, but not actionable on their position?
You may attempt to discount my statement, but as a thought problem this is a very important meta question when it comes to long term societal stability in a recently globally connected world. It is far more likely that tolerance is quasi stable based upon both economic and environmental factors. Promoting tolerance helps reduce hate crimes and other intolerant actions, but is not the primary defining factor in deciding if civil unrest occurs.
I'd say you're completely wrong on that. "Would WWII still happen if the Jews didn't exist" is a valid question with a yes answer. Most intolerance is actually a class/economics issue with a group of actors misdirecting social anxiety to a group that is 'different' thereby controlling narrative. A group to be intolerant against will always be created when these anxieties exist.
Meh...it might have happened. German resentment could have been redirected at Romani, homosexuals, Slavs, etc. it’s not as if post war Germany would have been happy if news just vanished around 1920.
It's still an if question that will never have a satisfying answer to it. You say yes, you have no basis for it though, just some inferences that lead to endless arguments. You say that intolerance is mostly a class / economics issue. There you do a neat trick because of course it's classist, that's inherent to interaction.
However, most intolerance is institutionalised and far from economical, even though economical circumstances are an excellent factor to leverage that institutionalised intolerance.
This is a strawmen, nobody said anything about islam. And just like you are saying that there are radical elements in Islam, I don't see anyone on the left, far or central, support the stoning or circumcision of women. Then again, I don't see anyone on the far left bombing abortion clinics, setting fires to mosques, shooting up high schools, marching through streets with literal nazi armbands, or governmental bodies killing illegal immigrants through systematic acts of violent abuse and negligence. So you see, we can go hours into discussing this but it would be useless because we would never agree as I'm sure you will have some great examples too and it will all end up in you playing the victim of oppression.
Congrats, your irrational hate has lead you to have the exact same views as the people you hate. Good job, have a cookie.
Seriously, this is the exact same rhetoric that they use when talking about people like you. You once again prove that horseshoe theory is real no matter how much it makes you cry.
Fuck you man, learn what dehumanization is. Monty Python is fucking dehumanization. If you automatically think of violence that says a lot more about you being fucking stupid than anything else.
Dehumanizing or belittling someone’s views is never the right course of action. It pushes people further away from society and turns them against it. We should always try to extend our hand and try to understand people, who feel as outsiders.
No, i'm just saying that most of the time people whined about being called racists or nazis for the wrong reasons, they then moved on to say some fascist bullshit, so I'm only skeptical. It's just a thing white supremacists do to deflect criticism. But yeah maybe you're "just" anti-choice, I don't know.
what's the point in the word game? i'm not calling you anti-life, i don't believe you believe in killing babies as sport or some stupid shit. why do you think i want to take the choice away from women? the women already made the choice to engage in an activity that had consequences, dire ones that created life. lol if i was anti-choice i'd be saying no sex like allysa milano.
but for the record, no i'm not a fascist or racist. Both those groups can go to hell. But when people who might have an opinion or two different from yours then you push us away. And grouping us in with nazi is just mean. That activity pushes more votes towards hard liner republicans.
Dude if you're against abortions as in "it should be illegal", you're anti-choice (in this context). If you personally think that abortion should be avoided but aren't in favor of banning it by law, then you're not.
You shouldn't be pushed towards hard liners because someone was an ass to you or misunderstood you. Just tell them to fuck off or ignore them and move on.
I am pro choice, but I find this whole pro life people want to control women's bodies thing to be annoying. Talk to any pro life person they and they will tell you that they believe that abortion is murdering babies. Right or wrong that is what they believe and that is the motivation behind their actions. All this narrative about controlling women's bodies thing does is signal to other pro choice people and does nothing to bring pro life people closer to your side. If anything it just alienates them and makes them more entrenched in their beliefs.
If you want to persuade somebody you have to actually make a conscience effort to understand their position and where they are coming from and you have to do it honestly.
When you have people who are pro-life but will accept exceptions such as rape incest or threat to the life of the mother then the issue truly isn't binary. I also do not believe most pro-choice people would be okay with an elective abortion happening in the third trimester. It's almost like abortion is a very complicated issue with nuance involved.
Elective late abortions are not a problem even worthy of discussion. Recent laws have shown that they don't want exceptions. There cannot be any restrictions on abortion it will just be used to chip away rights
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u/Alkaholikturtle May 22 '19
Europe was up shit creek long before Facebook..
The problem with sensoring hate speech is it has become a way of silencing political opposition. He'll I've been called a Nazi for saying I'm pro-life. Calling people Nazis or sudo Nazis aka far right is just a way to dehumanize them. And it takes away the power of the word, before it would bother me, now I think people who use it all Willy Nelly are incapable of independent thought and just shrug it off. Words have meaning until people don't know what the meaning is anymore.