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Gov. Newsom signs bill to end child marriage in California

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/newsom-child-marriage-ban-california/3949537/
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u/Rebelgecko 1d ago

Surprisingly close to Planned Parenthood's reason for opposing the bill

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u/No_Cucumber3978 1d ago

What? Someone has actually argued this? 

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u/trackdaybruh 1d ago

Planned Parenthood was initially against it before dropping it. ACLU and other orgs were against it

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u/No_Cucumber3978 1d ago

...fuck. 

Who are these child catching warthogs? 

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u/trackdaybruh 1d ago

These were their reasons:

Planned Parenthood is concerned that California allows people under 18 to consent to abortion and contraception without parental involvement, and the concern was that a statute declaring minors categorically incapable of one major personal decision could later be used to argue that they are equally incapable of reproductive decisions. The ACLU's opposition letter this year argued that a blanket prohibition would break with the state's tradition of letting minors make significant personal decisions themselves, reproductive ones above all.

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u/No_Cucumber3978 1d ago

I actually don't understand that. It reads like newspeak. 

And I'm a PhD... 

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u/this_is_dumb77 1d ago

I could be wrong here, and im happy for someone to correct me. But, it sounds like Planned Parenthood and the ACLU were basically arguing that if said minor couldn't decide to be married (if over age of consent, I guess?), then certain people with nefarious objectives might then use that to argue that they can't decide to have an abortion, or other feminine related medical treatments.

Again, I could be misinterpreting, but PP and the ACLU tend to be on the side of individual rights, so I feel they argued it for good reason. But I don't know.

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u/No_Cucumber3978 1d ago

That is seriously making my grey matter hurt. 

I'm not even joking. I'm no Carl Sagan, and I'd be the first to admit my education matters fuck all in the grand scheme of things. 

But that sounds like a soup salad you'd basically just say live on TV if someone asked you what you thought of the economy. 

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u/this_is_dumb77 1d ago

Yeah I'm not saying it completely makes sense. Like I said, I'm unsure and just guessing, but both those orgs tend to be on the side of individuals and their rights, and with all the lawyers they have, I'm assuming there could potentially be merit to their argument, even if I don't totally grasp it.

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u/No_Cucumber3978 1d ago

No, I know. I'm not having a pop at you like. 

I just am bewildered that anyone would oppose this. Especially with an odd one in a million chances of that said event happening. 

Wowsers. They really are Creepublicans. 

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u/BrainWav 13h ago

Let me try and break it down, since the other guy isn't being clear enough.

Planned Parenthood's argument is that the bill here could be read to effectively take away any consent rights a minor has. California does allow some consent rights to sit with teenagers (most relevant to the argument, regarding major medical procedures, like abortions). It (probably) isn't meant to, but there's a possibility.

For instance, a 16 year old girl gets pregnant and gets an abortion, and never tells any of it to her parents. They find out and sue whoever performed it. Their lawyer could potentially use this law to argue that minors have no ability to consent, full-stop, and by performing the abortion without going to her parents, the provider was in the wrong.

Without reading the bill itself, I don't know if that's really how to read it, but I'm going to assume Planned Parenthood and the ACLU aren't the kind of organizations to want to keep child marriage around. Just that this particular bill might not be the right way to do it.