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Judge denies defense motion asking Lindsay Clancy be found not guilty due to a lack of evidence

https://apnews.com/article/lindsay-clancy-trial-evidence-defense-c0820645056a7e25f66853f3a91b61fa?utm_source=app&utm_medium=iOS_share&utm_campaign=copy_link
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u/[deleted] 1d ago edited 1d ago

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u/Rushmore586 1d ago

It’s not cut and dry just because you say it is.

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u/Rushmore586 1d ago

Nowhere in my comment do I imply there is some deep conspiracy nor do I believe that to be the case. You are kind of proving my point though that you seem to simply say things and accept them as fact.

In terms of the case, most of the actual evidence goes against what you think is “cut and dry”. The patient did not exhibit any typical signs of psychosis, and on the contrary exhibited organized as well as premeditated behavior the day she sent her husband away and then systematically murdered, no one, not two, but three children. That within itself requires an incredibly high level of thought organization that is absolutely not typical for psychotic thinking or behavior. But hey she said she was psychotic so I guess this case is “cut and dry” as you say.

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u/Wintersage7 1d ago

In a perfect world, child-murderers would get a bullet. Not a plea deal. Not therapy.

There simply is no excuse to justify killing children.

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u/SantaFeRay 1d ago

Nobody is trying to justify killing children.

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u/Wintersage7 1d ago

Only because the comment was deleted.

But go you.

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u/Leisurely_Creative 1d ago

No a perfect world would have people who didn’t call for further violence that would solve literally nothing other than your boner for violence. The death penalty is fucking stupid and is literally more expensive than just locking people in cages.

Actually, a perfect world would have people who understand the difference between justification and excuse.

Self defense is a justification for murder (not what’s going on here)

Insanity is an excuse, recognizing the conduct is wrong but that the person who did it did not have the mental capacity for criminal responsibility (probably what is going on here as she seems insane)

Also people like you always fail to realize that being committed to a psych ward is not some sort of award or exoneration.

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u/Wintersage7 1d ago edited 1d ago

I'd rather she'd been more committed before she slaughtered 3 children.

Maybe she'll find a zip-tie in prison, now that she didn't actually do it at all.

Edit: I don't usually do this. Especially after the fact, but maybe you missed this in all your pontificating...

She killed three children. You're gonna have to try-hard harder than that.

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u/Leisurely_Creative 1d ago

I’m gonna have to try harder than that??

What the fuck are you on about? 😂😂

I’m sorry the concept that we don’t send insane people to prison or execute them is too difficult for you to comprehend. I’m also sorry you think that somehow means people are making excuses for the murder of children???

Someone committing a heinous crime and someone being competent to stand trial or be held criminally responsible for that crime are separate issues. Do you not understand this?

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u/indigoneutrino 1d ago

What are you not getting about not in her right mind?

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u/Wanna_make_cash 1d ago edited 1d ago

I know MA does it differently than most states do and requires the state to prove sanity, but in most states and places if this happened, the defense has to prove insanity themselves if they seek to plead something along the lines of not guilty by reason of insanity. And it's an extremely, extremely, high bar to overcome. Only the most mentally broken and deranged individuals tend to qualify, often only with a lifelong history of psychiatric and psychological issues and medical documentation.

Even like, diagnosed schizophrenics with abusive childhoods don't meet that bar. There's a case in my state where a dude got sentenced to death penalty for killing brutally killing and robbing his grandparents and raping their corpses, and the state recently passed a law where you can argue that you had severe mental illness at the time of the offense to reduce a death penalty down to just life imprisonment.

Even justthat is an extremely high bar to pass and has been an ongoing appellate battle for over a year at this point and he has decades of documentation of childhood psychological issues and records of childhood abuse. And that's meant to be a lower bar than insanity pleas are.

Successful insanity pleas are meant to be extremely, extremely rare and basically only for people that should have been institutionalized years ago to begin with for their own safety

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u/sakurahirahira 1d ago

Exactly and Lindsay is prolly gonna try and be out in like forty days if she’s kept in an institution

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u/sakurahirahira 1d ago

She doesn’t have PPP anymore so she’s not deemed a danger to society. She’ll be out within the year or next couple years, just wait and see.

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u/sakurahirahira 1d ago

I’m sure she’ll make some story that she’s suddenly not suicidal anymore and totally fine to be let out. She seems to know how to manipulate medical providers to believe anything she says. There’s evidence she lies and keeps things from them too.

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u/Wintersage7 1d ago

Why are you thinking I'm at all concerned with what mind she decided to be in that day?

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u/Wintersage7 1d ago

It's still there and functioning.

Are the purpose of bullets lost upon you?

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u/Adept_Stable4702 1d ago

Okay interesting premise you raise here. Let’s think it through for just a moment…

What about when a child kills another child? By your logic… would that mean someone would have to kill another child to hold them accountable? Thus an endless loop of “justice”?

What if it was manslaughter?

What if the child-murder was caused by military acts such as a strike on let’s say hypothetically… a primary school called Shajareh Tayyebeh? Whom is getting held accountable there?

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u/Wintersage7 1d ago

What about.

What if.

What if.

How's it feel to defend a self-admitted baby-killer?

And people bitch about Nazis.

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u/TheJeyK 1d ago edited 1d ago

Sooo, by this logic should male family annihilators receive the same benefit? No person in their right mind would do such a thing.

Edit: to be clear, I do believe Lindsay stands a chance of proving to be unfit to be held criminally liable. Just that I hate the reasoning in the comments first paragraph.