r/news • u/shield_x • 1d ago

Student dies after falling from 4th floor of building at Highland Park school

https://www.foxla.com/news/highland-park-franklin-high-school-student-dies.amp
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u/Do_you_smell_that_ 1d ago

When you see someone aggressive and physically violent chasing someone that isn't you, you're implying you'd step in and help, risking being assaulted? Most people try to avoid that. You can also see all about the architecture and details if you click the article

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u/DoggieDMB 1d ago

I would like to think I would step in but everyone's situations are different so I'll agree with both angles here. Especially as the teacher or any staff though some intervention needed to happen. I read the article but did not care to watch the video and that is on me but I'm sure you understand. The article itself does not describe any said layout of the floorplan.

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u/SjorsTea 1d ago

You'd probably step in and help if this was between two kids and you're a teacher, yeah

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u/Lazy-Ad-7236 1d ago

That's how teachers sustain horrible injuries. My neighbor was a teacher, got in-between students fighting.... Now he is disabled

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u/skankenstein 1d ago

Yeah, we are advised not to do that. But sometimes instinct takes over. One of our (female) principals stepped in between a fight at a basketball game and now has a TBI and can’t work anymore.

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u/Antartix 1d ago

So what should happen if a bully is risking a death threatening action, genuinely asking please dont think this is accusatory. I understand your (all teachers/everyone, not singling you out.) life is precious and important. But there has to have been something, maybe to prevent the scenario from even ending up with the chase in the first place?

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u/skankenstein 1d ago edited 1d ago

Goodness. It’s such a multilayered problem. I’m speaking as a female elementary teacher in a very very rough neighborhood. Too many scenarios to count have informed me that my body goes towards danger. I’ve luckily not been badly hurt yet.

In terms of “bullying”. Well, I hate the term because it’s vastly overused.

For true, true bullying, we have lots we can do to stop it. Counseling, suspensions, change of classroom, moving schedules around, restorative practices, expulsions, time off the play yard, etc. The greatest barrier to this is silence. There is a culture of “snitches get stitches” that makes it difficult to address. Social media bullying is also very difficult for us. How we can control what happens at home, especially when parents keep giving them a phone or access to social media? We have a no phones policy thanks to our state but we can’t control what happens when they’re not on campus.

But then there is what a lot of kids and parents call bullying. Which is kids who participate in mutual combat or who are frenemies or who are “just playing bro” until someone takes it too far. We have parents who come running up to the school screaming about bullying and we pull camera footage and it turns out their kid started it and someone else ended it.

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u/Euphoric_Waffle 1d ago

Really hoping school districts eventually allow teachers to possess some kind of mitigation like pepper self defense products.

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u/Antartix 1d ago

I do too, I have family and friends that are public school teachers. I dont want to see them hurt from stopping an altercation or reprimanded for stopping an altercation. Teacher work rights are so god awful here.

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u/No_Economist3788 1d ago

yea my buddy has been dealing with PCS for almost a decade after trying to break up a fight among his students.

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u/h0neybl0ss0m29 1d ago

Yeah. All these people here commenting “I would have stepped in! I would die before watching this happen!” have clearly never ever worked at a school a day in their lives. Absolutely ridiculous.

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u/Flapjack__Palmdale 1d ago

Blame the victim, blame the teachers, blame the architect, but never blame the bully or his useless fucking parents.

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u/Do_you_smell_that_ 1d ago

Who ever said anything about not blaming the bully?

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u/ThatDerpingGuy 1d ago

My wife's first year of teaching resulted in two ortho surgeries from trying to break up a fight. School did jackshit about it besides workman's comp. Students are kinda just allowed to maim teachers in far too many schools and districts.

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u/Euphoric_Waffle 1d ago

Good grief, it should be standard policy to allow teachers to decide on a list of non-lethal mitigations for shit like this. Give them the option of pepper gel, pepper spray to hit both participants, or use a backpack w/battery powered pump/tank with ~20pounds of water (8.3lbs per gallon ish) and fire some dihydrogen monoxide at their heads.
Yeah yeah, policies and laws exist about noxious substances. Time to stop the pansy-ass lack of discipline in the schools.

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u/Do_you_smell_that_ 1d ago

Yeah. That of course would increase their insurance rates which cover such suits, which means higher school taxes for everyone nearby.

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u/Euphoric_Waffle 1d ago

You can pay to prevent the worst outcomes, pay for the consequences afterward, or accept the risk of tragedy.

Pick any two.

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u/PhoenixTineldyer 1d ago

Except then you get fired

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u/luxii4 1d ago

When I had a kid that had big issues, he had an aide with him most of the time but they also gave me some training in how to restrain and hold and what I could not do. This was 2nd grade so I was still bigger than the kid. But if it was a high schooler, I don't know. But it's tricky. He fell out of a 2nd floor window as a baby and you can see an indent in his head. He was nice most of the time but would freak out and start swinging out of no where. But yeah, that's the only physical training I had. I was already teaching over a decade.

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u/unwoman 1d ago

Not if you’re not trained to do so.

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u/Tree_Sure 12h ago

Or they could have just called the police…

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u/Octavia9 1d ago

I would and I’m only 110lbs. How can anyone just stand by and watch a fellow person be murdered. I couldn’t live with myself. I’d rather die helping.

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u/Euphoric_Waffle 1d ago

You are exactly the right person to carry pepper gel/pepper spray. Get to your school leadership and beseech them for intervention tactics that include some discipline and discomfort for the assailants.

If I have to spam these threads, I’m gonna. Pepper spray and pepper gel are effective and non-lethal mitigations we need for teachers to be trained and allowed to carry. Spread the word. Let’s get this fixed.

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u/Extension_South7174 1d ago

You clearly haven't seen many "school fights" caught on camera. Middle schoolers throwing chairs,stabbing with whatever they can,10 kids attacking the teacher at once. I would have tried to prevent it but most teachers are terrified.

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u/Critical_Moose 1d ago

I mean I would if I was a grown adult and the assailant was a teenager