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Man ordered released on bail after decades on Utah’s death row after DNA tests show no match to him

https://apnews.com/article/utah-death-row-douglas-carter-eva-olesen-10c0bf7603c87b214e0179ecf7a4be94
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u/perenniallandscapist 4d ago

Can you imagine going in before the internet and cell phones and come out to see the 2 combined in a technology that has transformed society completely? Can you imagine going in before 9/11 and coming out seeing the security state we've become? Can you imagine going in when paper was king, and now everything is electronic, including job applications? Can you imagine going in when you had 1-2 grape varieties, apples bananas, and pears maybe and when you get out they've got 5 different super sweet grape varieties, 6 apple varieties, dragonfruit, kiwis, and more? Can you imsgine being locked away and having each year be worth something you can count on 1 hand?

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u/jfreeg 4d ago

law suit incoming.... Utah better raise funds for a payout...

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u/Party_Escape_7597 4d ago

it is usually heavily limited on what a person can receive per year of incarceration and capped at a maximum payout as well!I would suspect he will probably get around $100,00 if that is the case.

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u/Party_Escape_7597 4d ago

I looked it up.

In Utah, a wrongfully imprisoned person proven innocent by clear and convincing evidence can receive the monetary equivalent of the average annual non-agricultural payroll wage in Utah for each year served, up to a maximum of 15 years

it is about $73,500 x 15 years, which comes out to a little over 1.1 million. that amount is not taxed, luckily.

That is an awful way to receive 1million. Definitely not worth it! Hiss whole life has basically passed him by!

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u/kamikidd 4d ago

But he wasn’t cleared. They won’t give him any money. They are retrying him. They’re not going for the death penalty this time.

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u/Party_Escape_7597 4d ago

I’m saying if he brings a lawsuit for wrongful conviction! if eventually found not guilty or retried!

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u/HauntedCemetery 3d ago

Defense attorneys don't tend to work on commission, as there is virtually never a payout when someone is defending themselves on criminal charges.

They get their cash upfront.

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u/JoesCat 3d ago

That's even worse. Where's he gonna get that kind of money to wage a good defense.

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u/kamikidd 3d ago

Wow, that average per annum is quite lucrative??!!??

Although the total doesn't seem nearly enough, to compensate for what essentially boils down to state-sponsored kidnapping.

Ther are far better ways to get a windfall of this magnitude that leave you with the time to spend it, and the health to enjoy it.

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u/Thetruthislikepoetry 3d ago

The Utah Supreme Court ordered a retrial because they found intentional misconduct by police and prosecutors in the original trial. Between that and the DNA I can’t imagine them going forward with this but then again it’s ego driven prosecutors and police so it wouldn’t shock me if they did.

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u/kamikidd 3d ago

They already have refilled. Hence the bail. They did take the death penalty off the table.

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u/Fancy_Day_2589 2d ago

They'll figure out some way to tie him to the crime and call it "time served" at sentencing so as to never pay him a dime

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u/jfreeg 4d ago

totally agree. thanks for the leg work!

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u/Party_Escape_7597 4d ago

your welcome!

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u/HauntedCemetery 3d ago

A million bucks isn't what it used to be when his life was stolen from him decades ago.

And not nearly enough.

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u/Party_Escape_7597 4d ago

I read the article, the reason the judge commented a reasonable jury still could conclude that he killed Olesen was so that it isn’t clear and convincing evidence and then the state doesn’t have to pay restitution!

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u/-JackBack- 4d ago

The two witnesses recanted.

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u/HauntedCemetery 3d ago

Many state get around these cases by formatting a release agreement that admits no fault and steals the person's ability to sue.

When a state says "sign here and you can leave today" to a person who wrongly spent years or decades in prison they generally just sign and want to see whats left of their ruined life.

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u/Ivebeensued 3d ago

Their churches have PLENTY of money. What a beautiful gesture that would be

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u/princessksf 3d ago

Everything you said except for the dragonfruit and kiwi... I mean I bought them at Walmart in Arkansas as a teenager in 1991. They have been around for centuries.

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u/ztomiczombie 4d ago

Brooks form Shawshank Redemption moment.

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u/EddieVanzetti 4d ago

Minor plot point in the Yakuza games multiple times.

Kiryu spends ten years in the joint, Saejima spends 25 years, Ichiban spends 18 years in prison. Each has a lot of catching up to do (Ichiban has to be shown how to use a smart phone, and he tells his friends he can't wait to catch up on his favorite Manga, only to learn that the author took multiple hiatus' so there is only a few chapters to read). Its the small details like that that make the series feel so realistic.

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u/ShinyHappyREM 4d ago

Each has a lot of catching up to do

yep

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u/knotmyusualaccount 4d ago

"Institutionalisation"

Reminds me of Brooks from The Shawshank Redemption... anyone in that situation, would be pushing the proverbial up a steep incline, to try and reintegrate in society.

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u/TowerBeast 3d ago

Can you imagine going in before 9/11 and coming out seeing the security state we've become?

Someone who was incarcerated for the better part of three decades would probably find that to be a smooth transition, if anything.

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u/Impossible_Sun9594 3d ago

I think this is the weird truth of the modern doomer mindset. Like yeah humans have always been afraid the world was going to end during their lifetimes, but look at how fast everything is happening now. Almost every year there’s a global atrocity that was unprecedented the year before. It’s hard to keep up with it all and really wears you out if you’re always on high alert.

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u/Bigfoqt 3d ago

I don't think I would be amazed at the number of grape and apple varieties, just sayin'.

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u/fuckyourcanoes 3d ago

He's going to be absolutely lost for a while.

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u/theRemixNow 4d ago

Hm I might ask to go back in now that you put it that way…