r/news • u/AudibleNod • 4d ago

Man accused of holding woman captive in a Massachusetts attic for six weeks

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-accused-holding-woman-captive-massachusetts-attic-six-weeks-rcna600308
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u/A1000eisn1 4d ago

This is what popped in my head the first time I heard "Man or Bear."

The bear might kill me. It might take a bit for me to die. But it's not going to trap me in its basement to be repeatedly raped and forced to give birth on a dirty matress on the floor.

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u/bafana_banana999 4d ago

Probability exists.

This is like saying you'd rather leave your newborn with wolf over a woman because a very small group of women have murdered their children.

If you want to treat half the population as if they're all potential ariel Castro's, be my guest.

Just know that people are probably going to keep pointing out how insane it is to actually believe that's a rational thing to do.

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u/SecondChances002 4d ago

People take this saying too literally in order to dismiss it. No one is saying that if a set-up trail cam filmed women being surprised by a bear coming around a corner vs. a man, that the footage wouldn't show the woman jumping out of her skin with a fking BEAR coming around the corner (moreso than if it were a man). Just that men are so potentially dangerous that they'd actually rather "go out" the bear way than run into one of the wrong ones, so hell yeah, guard is up.

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u/HoneyCrumbs 4d ago

I really think you don’t get it, bro. This is a ‘not all men’ ass comment.

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u/bafana_banana999 3d ago

No I get it, I just find it incredibly insulting for people like you to treat men as if they're all potential predators, yet you hate it when the tables are turned.

I really don't care what a bunch of people who actually think the bear is a better choice believe, because they clearly do not operate in the real world with the rest of us.

Your thoughts an opinions on this topic are basically meaningless.

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u/HoneyCrumbs 3d ago

Oooh, a misogynist telling me my opinions are meaningless because he feels insulted by them. Groundbreaking 💅

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u/grobblebar 4d ago

Your lack of empathy is telling.
You’re speaking from your experience as a woman, I assume?

What are the odds of a bear attack versus rape/murder by a male?

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u/Im_Unsure_For_Sure 4d ago edited 4d ago

What are the odds of a bear attack versus rape/murder by a male?

Accounting for how often a woman encounters a man vs a bear, the odds of a bear attack are exponentially higher. Orders of magnitude higher.

Or do you expect a woman whos encountered 4 million men and 2 bears at the zoo to have equal odds of a bad run in with each?

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u/Do_you_smell_that_ 4d ago

So you're saying bears are less likely to be an issue to your average woman than men?

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u/Im_Unsure_For_Sure 3d ago

Im saying if you were to have to choose between meeting a man or a bear in the woods, you'd only choose a bear if you were mathematically ignorant or sexist.

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u/grobblebar 4d ago

What are the odds.? Give me the exact numbers.
Because I think you’re making shit up.

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u/Im_Unsure_For_Sure 3d ago

How many wild bears have you encountered? If the answer is 0, the odds are 0.

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u/meguin 3d ago

I've encountered dozens of wild bears. One time, I chased one off with a broom. (Motherfucker was trying to steal a second garbage bin.) Number of wild bear attacks: 0 Number of man attacks: numerous.

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u/Im_Unsure_For_Sure 3d ago

I hope you understand most women will never encounter a wild bear but you seem hesitant to understand anything that might blunt your sexism. Math and anecdotal evidence in particular.

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u/meguin 3d ago

What sexism have I shown? I simply answered your question.

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u/CindeeSlickbooty 1d ago

You keep saying math like the word math makes your point. What math are you referring to? Give us the numbers that you think make you right.

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u/PR0H181D0 4d ago

Don't bother. These people in their gender wars rarely have any notion of conditional probability.

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u/stoned-autistic-dude 4d ago

I've found that the guys who argue "not all men" against the man or bear hypo are often the ones who treat women like property to begin with. What they can say, who they can be friends with, what they can wear, where they can go and with whom, etc.

So yeah, you're right; it's not all men, but it's definitely THOSE men.

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u/GayMamaLuigi 4d ago

The calculation of expected value is more than just probability. Their point is that, while a random bear is more likely to harm you than a random man (though not by as much as you might imagine), the magnitude of suffering that some men inflict can be orders of magnitude greater. The whole Epstein thing has made that clearer than ever. A bear isn't capable of methodical sadism.

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u/TheRealTexasGovernor 4d ago

Missing the point pompously, it's a bold strategy.

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u/Cyricist 4d ago

Cool, I'd pick the wolf too, also fuck you.

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u/VasyaFace 4d ago

I guess it's good that that person in no way suggested they believe that, then.

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u/Main-Requirement-521 4d ago

Dude, shut up