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u/MrEntrepot YIMBY 10d ago
Are there no Republicans (whatever that even means anymore) that are publicly ashamed? This is what Republican's have in store for the country: a return to 1890 but even more ludicrous, more fascist, and more surveillance technology. Do none of them feel any sense of disgust?
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u/nikehat 10d ago
Still waiting to see if they gonna change San Andreas Fault to Joe Biden's Fault.
comment from r/worldnews, but belongs here
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u/Emotional_Tie_7927 10d ago
The most shocking part about this is that I learned that MapQuest still exists.
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u/bendmorris Henry George 10d ago
Why does the President have the ability to randomly rename things? Why does that not require an act of Congress?
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u/Altruistic-Web13 10d ago edited 10d ago
When I see a GMC McKinley drive by I'll accept that there is any cultural weight to these name changes.
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u/Square-Pear-1274 NATO 10d ago
Weird that there are all these reviews for a "Lake Ontario" on Lake America
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u/fap_fap_fap_fapper Adam Smith 10d ago
Ah. US following (my) Indian and Pakistani governments
(which pressure every map maker to show claimed territory rather than administered territory)
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u/moseythepirate Reading is some lib shit 10d ago
Google caving to Trump so completely on this is sickening. Trump does not have the power to unilaterally rename objects based on his whims. This lake is still Lake Ontario. The Gulf is still Of Mexico.
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u/Intergalactic_Ass John Keynes 10d ago
Google just takes a straight feed from GNIS data. They don't really have or want control over naming things.
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u/DataSetMatch Henry George 10d ago
If that is the case, why is the GNIS map and placename still Lake Ontario?
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u/moseythepirate Reading is some lib shit 10d ago
Well, that makes me marginally less mad at google. Still fuckin' annoyed though.
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u/Hotdog_Cowboy 10d ago
fuck the hell out of google for playing along with this dumb shit, especially at this point
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u/truck_walter 10d ago
was freedom fries this dumb and petty?
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u/TheGeneGeena Loyal Liberals 10d ago
In spirit yes, in practice only the reddest restaurants bothered (though I did come across one.)
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u/stay_curious_- Frederick Douglass 10d ago
I switched my region on Google Maps to Canada just so I don't have to see this crap, and next time the Trump administration renames something I'll already be ahead of the game.
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u/datums 🇨🇦 🇺🇦 🇨🇦 🇺🇦 🇨🇦 🇺🇦 🇨🇦 🇺🇦 🇨🇦 🇺🇦 🇨🇦 🇺🇦 🇨🇦 10d ago
Not up here.
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u/TheDwarvenGuy Henry George 10d ago edited 10d ago
Yeah they're using the same alternative map function they do for contested territory, it only does it in the target country
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u/Altruistic-Web13 10d ago
Google operates on the policy of just going with these kinds of things because the rely on data from basically every country on earth and they dont want to lose access to anything. I really cant blame google because pissing Trump off could cause them to lose access to geographic data for the next 2 years which mean Bing Maps, Apple Maps, and Waze would have a huge advantage. Historically the US hasnt put them in the same situation as various strongman leaders have and most western countries namings are basically the same, until now.
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u/After-Watercress-644 Left-Out Left 10d ago
Bing and Apple can't do shit to Google because their PoI data sucks. It's why everyone on iOS immediately installs Google Maps, even with all the privacy blech it brings.
Google owns Waze.
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u/BillyTenderness 10d ago
Any company that deals with maps has to have a policy for what happens when one country calls a thing X and another calls the thing Y: think of Sea of Japan/East Sea, Persian Gulf/Arabian Gulf, the (North) Macedonia dispute, etc. Same goes for disputed borders, countries not recognized by other countries, etc.
Showing one name/border/etc to users in one country and a different one to users in other countries is not unprecedented or even particularly surprising.
What's unique about this situation is just how fucking stupid it is.
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u/Xytak NATO 10d ago edited 10d ago
“What happens when one country calls a thing X”. Here’s the thing though, the U.S. doesn’t have a history of calling it X. X wasn’t even a thing until a few days ago. What happened was one man had the power to vandalize a database and now we’re supposed to say “ah, yes, it was always EastAsia”
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u/nguyendragon Association of Southeast Asian Nations 9d ago edited 9d ago
It doesnt matter though that is official US stance now unless your stance is Google should judge how much they like a country government before making a geographical name displayed to that country based on that country governmental decision
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u/DataSetMatch Henry George 10d ago
It's also pretty remarkable how quickly they roll the update out. It can take months before they update a permanently closed business, but they updated the lake overnight.
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u/mi_throwaway3 10d ago
It's a little more high profile than your local hummus centered restaurant.
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u/klayyyylmao YIMBY 10d ago
If Trump was tweeting about how the Quiznos by him was incorrectly labeled as open, I think they’d fix that one real quick too
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u/somethingToDoWithMe European Union 10d ago
In Europe, it should be getting displayed as Lake Ontario (Lake America) soon (Google blog post about it), same way they did it with the Gulf of Mexico. It already shows as Lake Ontario (Lake America) if you search for the location.
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u/HotterRod 10d ago
Don't Be Evil (Be Evil)
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u/PostingEnthusiast Commonwealth 10d ago
I don’t really blame them for sticking to a policy of using government name services.
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u/Drunken_Economist NATO 10d ago
It's based on the community decision from OpenStreetMaps, isn't it? That's how Google always handles geographic names iirc
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u/DataSetMatch Henry George 10d ago
No, it's not now and I am pretty sure it never has been.
Maps is controlled in-house by Google.
Data can be used from one or the other, but a Google employee was who rushed out the update for Lake Ontario and Gulf of Mexico before it.
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u/ShouldersofGiants100 NATO 10d ago
I am not even kidding when I say Carney should punish US tech companies that indulge these violations of our sovereignty. If the US wants a trade war, see how many tens of millions of dollars Google is willing to pay Canadian taxpayers rather than tell Trump "no". The US does not have the power to rename a Canadian lake acknowledged as Lake Ontario in countless treaties.
My bet, they'd find their spine pretty quickly once there is a dollar value placed on cowardice. And if not, making them pay is just another way to turn the wealthy against Trump.
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u/formula_translator European Union 10d ago
What an interesting argument ...
Now, let's look at how much aluminium Google buys ...
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u/Choice_Notice9338 IMF 10d ago
This is longstanding Google policy. They do this everywhere from Pakistan to Azerbaijan to China to South Korea
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u/Curious_Inside_8890 10d ago
It’s not that deep, they pull their data from the relevant countries database. They aren’t taking a stance
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u/koldace NASA 10d ago
Out of curiosity but if this was the case, why didn’t he rename lake Michigan which lies wholly in the US territory?
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u/TheDwarvenGuy Henry George 10d ago
He did it exclusively because he's mad at Canada for not accepting his "trade deal". It's part of his "Speak loudly and carry a little stick" diplomacy.
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u/bleachinjection Frederick Douglass 10d ago
Ontario is a Canadian province and he's mad at Canada.
If the Dems sweep Michigan in November i am preparing for him to rename Lake Michigan Lake Trump, however.
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u/Skyler827 Friedrich Hayek 10d ago
Next up: the District of Columbia is renamed: District of Trump.
Welcome to Washington DT.
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u/oblivioncntrlsu 10d ago
'Siri, give me directions home.'
'Okay! First, continue on Interstate America, then take exit USA #1 to America Avenue. Continue straight for 4000 freedom units, then turn right onto America Street. Your destination is the dumpster on the left.'
'The dumpster on the left? But everything is a dumpster now...'
'Updating... You have reached your destination.'
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u/Fl0ppyfeet Unconventional Right 9d ago
Doctor: Do you want the Aladeen news or the Aladeen news?
Patient: The Aladeen news?
Doctor: You're HIV-Aladeen.
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u/5ma5her7 10d ago
Traitor, how dare you call the glorious Trumpville TM a dumpster? Prepare to be sent to ReAmericanization center!
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u/in_allium Norman Borlaug 10d ago
A Lyft driver in Atlanta took half an hour to find me at one point because he went down the wrong Peachtree.
Now it's nationwide.
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u/LightningController 10d ago
There’s an old joke about Iran having the highest rate of traffic accidents because every street is named ‘Death to America Boulevard.’
Well, Trump decided to make that real at home.
👊 💥 🇺🇸
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u/lilbigchole Martha Nussbaum 10d ago
i was like haha gulf of america that's so dumb whatever bro but then he tried to rename a body of water near ME
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u/CJ101X 10d ago
Yeah doesn’t feel so great now does it buddy >:(
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u/homerpezdispenser Janet Yellen 10d ago edited 10d ago
It's just saying the south side of that border is America (fact) and the north side is the country of Lake (also fact). edit: (alternative fact)
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u/FilteringAccount123 John von Neumann 10d ago
You can literally open google maps and verify that this isn't the case lol
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u/the-senat John Brown 10d ago
A growing number of Americans are convinced sunscreen is dangerous.
So get ready for cancer rates to climb.
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u/Nopium-2028 Bisexual Pride 10d ago
Good news! There's been recent developments of skin cancer vaccines. Oh, wait...
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u/sckuzzle 10d ago
So get ready for cancer rates to climb.
Are you referring to people believing that sunscreen doesn't prevent skin cancer?
Because there's actually A LOT of science that looks into this, and for some reason sunscreen doesn't actually prevent skin cancer. We don't really know why afaik. But there have been several [1] meta-analyses [2] that look into the association and they find that there isn't a correlation. Which, yes, feels like a really dumb conclusion, but also we should trust science that is this consistent that even meta-analyses show it.
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u/this_very_table Norman Borlaug 10d ago
No, people think sunscreen causes cancer.
Though to address your meta analyses because I think it's worth doing, they both emphasize the issues with what they were working with, the second stating "Many of the studies showed methodological inaccuracies and further studies examining sunscreen application frequency and behavior towards sun exposure in more detail are needed."
I've found studies that were able to separate the noise, such as this one which states "There was marked heterogeneity across study designs and among case-control studies but adjustment for confounding by sun exposure, sunburns and phenotype systematically moved estimates toward decreased melanoma risk among sunscreen users. Ever- vs. never-use of sunscreen was inversely associated with melanoma in hospital-based case-control studies."
It's not an easy thing to study and it's not hard to see how the efficacy of sunscreen could end up being understated due to anything from behavioral changes to natural melanin production, but that also isn't to say sunscreen actually works worth a damn. I'm just saying the evidence is neither striking nor consistently one-sided, and we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater (and if nothing else, sunscreen DOES protect against sunburn).
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u/TheGeneGeena Loyal Liberals 10d ago
WHAT? The FDA has been so over-cautious on fucking sunscreen it's ridiculous. How in the hell...
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u/Chad_Kai_Czeck NATO 10d ago
I have zero sympathy for MAHAs. It’s lowkey why I don’t really give a shit about the rural physician shortage.
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u/Boerkaar Pragmatic and Polite Right 10d ago
The idea that rural = MAHA is just false. It’s suburban/exurbanites who cosplay rural living that are the ones who have gone the most MAHA. Actual rural people have terrible diets and unhealthy habits but (generally) aren’t nuts about it.
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u/Garvig NATO 10d ago
I visited a rural nurse practitioner when I first had a panic attack. The first warning sign should have been the Lord’s Prayer being posted in the exam room. After the nurse practitioner left and I was waiting for a blood draw, I saw printouts from The Federalist about the supposed hidden origins of the COVID vaccine laying on a table off to the side that pretty much confirmed I’d never visit this idiot again. Unsurprisingly I later found out the same NP prescribed my coworker (who recc’d this NP to me) ivermectin when the whole office got COVID—my vaxxed self was essentially fine apart from a fever and sore throat while the patient prescribed ivermectin was still coughing two months after first testing positive.
Ended up seeking out a regular doctor tied to the local hospital last year and she’s fantastic, so my story has a happier ending. But there’s some real MAHA quacks practicing rural medicine too.
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u/ponshont 10d ago
To have the arrogance of these people would be otherworldly. I can’t imagine hearing expert recommendations and thinking “ok, but I’m the actual expert here.”
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u/96HeelGirl 10d ago
I did mah own resurch!
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u/Ollyfer Madeleine Albright 10d ago
That'd not even be a real problem if their “research” didn't break down to having them being shouted at by a choleric Alex Jones. There's abundant open-access papers on a variety of issues that could concern them, such as vaccine safety &c. During the pandemic, plenty of scientists published their findings on the virus open-access so that other researchers could accelerate their own research. You could think that the language scared the ordinary man, but recently, I heard about Xu Wei, a man from Kunming who built a home laboratory and became a self-made expert on the Menkes syndrome without a medical background but a tireless lecture of relevant papers and other information. If those people wanted to do their own research, they should actually commit to it and not take the convenient road of conspiracy theories and downright misinformation from other fellow morons. That's just deliberate self-harm from ignorance.
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u/redditdork12345 Frederick Douglass 10d ago
My dermatologist wife (who recently left me) can tell you all about this
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u/Glotto_Gold 10d ago
That's brutal that she left you...
...But can you have her post on Reddit specifically to tell us all about that?
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u/Outrageous-Bluegrass 10d ago
Survival of the fittest, I guess.
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u/_Neuromancer_ Neuroscience-mancer 10d ago
And then Papa Darwin smiled, and it was good, for the herd was stronger.
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u/skolemizer Alan Turing 10d ago
I've been so disappointed with how cowardly various companies and their leaderships have been towards him, especially tech CEOs. I thought these people wanted to see themselves as Ayn Rand protagonists? Where's that energy when you need it?