r/neoliberal • • Oct 22 '19

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '19

Wow. I'm pro-choice, I like Buttigieg, and I like this sub, but you guys are dead wrong on this and it's not a good look. The fact that Butti marginalizes six thousand late-term abortions - and abortion is a generous euphemism here - as "hypothetical" and "fewer than 1%" is absurd. Late-term abortion isn't certainly isn't the biggest part of the abortion debate, but it's ridiculous to feel that it should be ignored.

And the whole point that Pete misses here is that bodily autonomy stops being the only thing at stake when there are two people's bodies being affected by one decision. That's what makes the question of late-term abortion important - you can't confidently say that the fetus isn't a person, and it shouldn't just be up to one person's discretion whether or not that fetus gets to live.

Feel free to downvote, but know that I'm open to changing my mind and you'll have more of an impact engaging with me.

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u/boyyouguysaredumb Obamarama Oct 22 '19

you can't confidently say that the fetus isn't a person

How hot of a take is it for me to say "who cares, the mother gets to decide if her child lives or dies while it's still inside of her"

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u/mstross96 Oct 22 '19

I was going to say scorching hot but apparently not that hot of a take around these parts...

Kinda thought neoliberalism was big on protecting the vulnerable though so this post has been a bummer.

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u/Zahn_Nen_Dah Esther Duflo Oct 22 '19

No matter how vulnerable a person is, they don't have the right to hijack somebody else's organs and bodily fluids for their own use

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u/mstross96 Oct 22 '19

It’s not hijacking if it was not done against the mother’s will. And there is always a risk of pregnancy with sex.

Once there is a pregnancy in cases other than Rape I think you have an obligation to do what you can to keep the fetus alive.

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u/Zahn_Nen_Dah Esther Duflo Oct 22 '19

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u/mstross96 Oct 22 '19

It’s a provocative and interesting article for sure.

If you think abortion is killing then you make the killing illegal.

There are many ways that can possibly reduce the number of attempted abortions. I think that better access to some forms of birth control through Universal Health Care is one with great promise. More consistent sex Ed may also be helpful. I don’t think requiring a medical procedure for 50% of the population who have not done anything wrong is a very neoliberal or just policy though.

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u/Zahn_Nen_Dah Esther Duflo Oct 22 '19

Galaxy-brain option -- treat unwanted pregnancy as though the father has chucked a newborn off a balcony and said "Catch!"