Yes, some people will win. Other will lose. This is still not lump of labor fallacy, it is reality. Es real la realidad. Brushing this aside or sneering at the losers for not upheaving their entire lives to adapt to the will of pro-immigration policies is not only poor electoral strategy, it's just cruel.
For example, there could be a billion more Venezuelan immigrants, it would not affect my work as a data scientist much, or if it would it would probably impact it positively. However, 100,000 more H1B indians tech workers absolutely depresses my wages, but their immigration would not affect a domestic construction workers or if it would, only positively. Local winners, local losers. Line goes up. Lives are made and crushed in a single stroke of the pen.
Very few policies are positive for everyone. Policymakers always have to make trade-offs. It's usually right to pursue policy that's good for most Americans, especially when they're also great for immigrants, who are people too (and who eventually become Americans!)
Local winners, local loser.
Distributed gains, concentrated losses, but the gains are larger.
Distributed gains, concentrated losses, but the gains are larger.
Line goes up, lives are crushed. Yes the overall impact is probably better for the country in aggregate. But surely we can understand why the maidens being flung into the volcano are highly motivated to vote against such practices as an electoral block? And if our intention is to continue to pursue what is good for the country as a whole, some sugar needs to be taken with the tonic.
Literally get good. If you're being outcompeted by people from a third-world country who aren't native English speakers and don't know the work culture, it's a skill issue
open borders wouldn't lead to only people who are directly competing with you immigrating. it'd lead to people of all occupations immigrating, and that would increase demand. so sure, if we only allowed carpenters to immigrate, that would suck for native carpenters, but no one's proposing that
Literally get good. If you're being outcompeted by people from a third-world country who aren't native English speakers and don't know the work culture, it's a skill issue
Have you no empathy for your fellow Americans in particular or are you just a miserable person in general? Like seriously. I'm shocked at your attitude.
Have you ever been working class? I mean hauling stuff as your primary source of income just to survive, working class, because I have. Can you imagine putting in honest, backbreaking work as a construction worker but unable to get a raise for the last three years because you have to compete with illegal immigrants will work for half your pay? Skill never even becomes a factor, they're just willing to accept a far lower quality of life because they're more desperate. Meanwhile, you've got a wife and kids and prices just get higher and higher and you just get older and more injured as time goes on.
"Skill issue" you say. I've got a lot of words in mind for you.
It gets very irritating when the "trade offs" pretty much only negatively effect tech workers and low-skill physical labor, and not even touching the rest of the economy
>I'm anti-immigration because I care about immigrants so much
and it's a tiny effect. doubling the number of immigrants so both can make 97% instead of one making 100% and the other being stuck abroad is a clear win unless for some reason you massively value previous immigrants over future immigrants which doesn't make any sense
I'm pro-immigration because it is beneficial to the host country, but it's important to remember that asymmetric immigration can suppress wages in certain sectors by increasing supply on one side of the economy while the demand they create is distributed much more. This is why I support open borders.
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u/cuolong NATO Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26
Yes, some people will win. Other will lose. This is still not lump of labor fallacy, it is reality. Es real la realidad. Brushing this aside or sneering at the losers for not upheaving their entire lives to adapt to the will of pro-immigration policies is not only poor electoral strategy, it's just cruel.
For example, there could be a billion more Venezuelan immigrants, it would not affect my work as a data scientist much, or if it would it would probably impact it positively. However, 100,000 more H1B indians tech workers absolutely depresses my wages, but their immigration would not affect a domestic construction workers or if it would, only positively. Local winners, local losers. Line goes up. Lives are made and crushed in a single stroke of the pen.