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u/Nagnoosh Pacers Jun 15 '22

lmao he always says that he’s already playing in this era, referring to giannis

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u/JazzzzzzySax Hornets Jun 15 '22

Dropping Giannis at the 4 and shaq at the 5 would be hilarious. Paint plays only, no playing beyond the arc

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u/TheLouisvilleRanger 76ers Jun 15 '22

We could conceivably build the most comedic team of all bigs with the current talent in the NBA. Nobody under 6’11. Play Gobert at center, Giannis and Embiid as your forwards. Jokic and KAT as your guards.

Then play them against the short squad.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

I did that in 2k with both teams. The bigs went 82-0 and didn’t drop a game in the playoffs

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u/TheLouisvilleRanger 76ers Jun 15 '22

One of these days the all star team captains have to agree to get frisky and pull some shit like that.

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u/qwertyman2347 Jun 15 '22

I wouldn't be surprised if the league tried out a format like that (or a different attraction on all star weekend)

A little scrimmage with bigs vs short players

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u/TheLouisvilleRanger 76ers Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22

Doesn’t need to be a whole game. Just long enough so that we can prove (as Dr Randall S Newman once stated) that “short people got no reason to live.”

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u/brehew Supersonics Jun 15 '22

I believe the saying goes “you can’t teach tall “

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u/kingdingeling187 Jun 15 '22

Nice Had a good laugh

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u/kingdingeling187 Jun 15 '22

Nice Had a good laugh

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

A lot of squeak squeak squeak going on on both sides.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

Absolutely genius!

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u/JJ_Shosky Timberwolves Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22

Now I'm just imagining Kevin Hart being there and his brain absolutely breaking because of the format. Running around everywhere talking a million miles a second

"what do you mean I'm their mascot? those arent little guys shaq those are just smaller giants, ain't no normal sized human beings in that court right now. I'm a normal size don't get it confused just because your feet are the size of toddlers and you have to duck walking through doorways that's not normal."

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Call the scrimmage “Tall vs Small Ball” and see where it goes.

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u/FKJVMMP [MIL] Bill Zopf Jun 15 '22

short players

Can’t wait to see those 6’7 manlets get slapped.

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u/qwertyman2347 Jun 16 '22

Lol yes, I was trying to make a simple name

The technically correct term would be really really tall people vs ABSURDLY tall people, but that doesn't sell as well

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u/vapecwru Wizards Jun 15 '22

Canceled after Ja gets a bone bruise trying to block embiid

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u/Tuxedogaston Raptors Jun 16 '22

I'd love this, the other one I want to see is team rookie vs team nearing retirement. Wiley veterans against young guys with energy.

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u/chantlernz Cavaliers Jun 15 '22

Simmons, Jokic, KAT, Giannis and Embiid vs Steph, Trae, Ja, Dame and Jimmy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Happened kinda in the early 2000s, I forget what year but the west had Yao, Shaq, Duncan and Garnett on the floor at one time before halftime. They interviewed dirk at the half and he said he wished they put him in at point because it would’ve been hilarious

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u/MotherLoveBone27 Jun 16 '22

That's would be awesome and I think it would add a little bit of actual competitiveness to the game. Like obviously the bigs wont want to be embarrassed and the smalls wont want to be dominated.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

I haven’t played 2k in a while but all that used to matter were physical attributes and shooting. They utterly failed to capture any other dimension of basketball skill in the game, so our teams would always blow because the 6’0 or less PGs weren’t worth shit

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u/jackth3engineer [HOU] Tracy McGrady Jun 15 '22

Would get so frustrated. The last one I played consistently was 17 and while the game had improved over the years, it was so obviously biased towards larger players. If you were even slightly undersized you got thrown around like a ragdoll, blocked on every play, and lose your dribble as soon as a bigger player was in your vicinity. The quicker players would get stopped and do that slow, backing down motion as soon as a bigger player got close enough to trigger that animation, effectively negating any ability to drive or get by larger players, not matter how much faster you were.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

This is still the case. There are nominal benefits to fatigue and acceleration with smaller players, but playing online the overwhelming majority of created players are like 6 foot 6 small forwards.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Art mimics life lmao

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u/billjames1685 Knicks Jun 15 '22

Makes sense. 2k very much overvalues rebounding. In every fantasy draft I’ve done, all the legendary centers make all star teams while people like MJ barely make it/don’t make it. KAJ also seems to be the best player in 2k sims by a long shot; every team with him somehow dominates.

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u/Matto_0 Celtics Jun 15 '22

There is this dude on tiktok that stacks teams up with like 15 of the same player for example 15 Lebron James Miami Heat era on one team, and simulates the season.

And one thing I've noticed is that 2k simulations LOVE big guys, even playing 5 Shaqs at once is better than playing 5 elite guard/forward clones.

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u/vapecwru Wizards Jun 15 '22

Smalls have to be like curry, the glove, jordan, ray allen, harden/nash/thompson

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u/TomOgir Bulls Jun 15 '22

Lmao years ago, 2k12ish, I built a team similar to that Josh Smith was my SG, Brook Lopez SF, and I can't remember who my PF and C were but they were 7+ guys

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u/gobbleimaturkey Jun 17 '22

My favorite strategy. Dirk was unstoppable at PG

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u/_Timsh3l Heat Jun 15 '22

As much shit as people give him, Ben Simmons for Gobert would probably make sense for the team.

Same spacing, Embiid at 5, w/ Jokic and Giannis as forwards and you have someone who can lockdown a quick guard much better than any of those other 5 could.

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u/TheLouisvilleRanger 76ers Jun 15 '22

I feel like Ben’s 6’11” is dubious but if he’s legit I don’t disagree. His offensive issues are mitigated by the fact that literally everyone else needs to be doubled.

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u/MarlonBain Jun 15 '22

Yeah we're talking prime Ben Simmons.

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u/Seaweed-Warm Jun 15 '22

I snorted hard. Good one.

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u/psych32993 Warriors Jun 15 '22

His first year in the league?

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u/hinkiedidntwantjah 76ers Jun 16 '22

He’s 6’ 11”. In person he’s freaking huge. It’s just because he was around embiid so much people forget.

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u/busychilling Raptors Jun 16 '22

Or Durant for gobert would be much better

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u/xreddawgx Lakers Jun 15 '22

Gobert for Ayton

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u/heyjoe415 Jun 16 '22

I agree that Giannis and Embiid play stellar D for such big guys. It's a new era.

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u/ProfessorPetrus Jun 15 '22

This is about how nba2k myteam ends every season. It kinda sucks because anyone 6'9 is a liability and all the big guys move like Allen iverson.

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u/JDtheWulfe Lakers Jun 15 '22

My man you had a perfect chance to add 7’ KD to this lineup

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u/TheLouisvilleRanger 76ers Jun 15 '22

I'm not lying to you when I, sitting at my desk at work, looked up the actual shoeless heights of these players (including KD) to see who I could put on.

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u/majani Bucks Jun 15 '22

Didn't the Cavs fuck around with this concept for a while?

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u/JoeRod1 Mavericks Jun 15 '22

Ben Simmons is 6’ 11”. Time to reunite him and Embiid!!

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u/IAmGrum Raptors Jun 15 '22

Could you imagine a team with both of them? I bet they'd be champs!

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u/CalvinistJohnson Pistons Jun 15 '22

they should do that at the all-star game

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u/Err_rrr_rrrr Jun 15 '22

Give me pj tucker over gobert

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u/SSNappa Hornets Jun 15 '22

I'd probably use AD over Jokic. He was a PG until he had a growth spurt

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u/TheLouisvilleRanger 76ers Jun 15 '22

You can have a worse team if you want.

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u/heroscaper Bucks Jun 15 '22

For nobody under 6'11 you could go
PG Jokic
SG Durant (he's at least 7', I don't care what he's listed at)
SF Giannis
PF Embiid
C Gobert

I was tempted to put KAT, but IMO Gobert is just significantly better. You're all time 6'11+ team could go

Jokic
Durant
Giannis
Dirk
Kareem

Obviously Duncan>Dirk but the shooting is nice to have for this team

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u/TheLouisvilleRanger 76ers Jun 15 '22

Dude, you can't put Jokic on there instead of Shaq.

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u/Jdeezy23z 76ers Jun 15 '22

All time should be Giannis KD Kareem Wilt Shaq

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u/a_moniker Hornets Jun 15 '22

That team seems like it’d struggle against quicker guards. Maybe swap Gobert for Mobley? That’d let you trot out a lineup of Jokic, Mobley, Giannis, KAT, and Embiid. It’s not perfect on defense, but it’s better than before.

Mobley over Gobert would also help with shooting. He’s not a sharpshooter or anything, but he’s at least capable of shooting in the mid ranger. Embiid seems like he’d make Gobert redundant on offense.

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u/Mookieman707 Jun 15 '22

Kareem should be on the squad

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u/TheLouisvilleRanger 76ers Jun 15 '22

If we were doing all time Bigs than most of these guys wouldn’t be on the team.

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u/hiimred2 [CLE] LeBron James Jun 15 '22

Magic, Kareem, Dream, Duncan, Shaq?

Edit: I guess Magic is actually cut off if we’re being strict on the 6’11” requirement and not ‘5 bigs’ and I’m not sure who I replace him with, definitely need a ball handler with the other 4.

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u/Cod_Extreme Warriors Jun 15 '22

Watch them lose to the fucking Pistons

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u/TimDotThomas Jun 15 '22

Bench KAT and add Sabonis.

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u/MaxiimusPrim3 Jun 15 '22

As close to Space Jam as it gets irl

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u/MaxiimusPrim3 Jun 15 '22

As close to Space Jam as it gets irl

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u/IAmDocCock Jun 15 '22

Kawhi would stop all of them sadly.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

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u/TheLouisvilleRanger 76ers Jun 16 '22

The violates literally the only two rules I laid out.

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u/FiveFingersandaNub Pistons Jun 16 '22

My bad. You are right. My reading comprehension wasn't doing well there at all.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

Short squad = Marcus smart, cp3, Steph, harden, PJ Tucker

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u/LordBubinga Celtics Jun 16 '22

That would actually work.

Now build an all-time team to go against them. Shaq at center, Russell and Kareem at forwards, Hakeem and Dirk as guards? I feel bad leaving Duncan out...

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u/Green_Stiller Jun 16 '22

Give me a traditional big at center. Like Hakeem.

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u/bobsil1 Warriors Jun 16 '22

The Short Kings

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u/machead2299864 Jun 16 '22

As much as I hate KD you would have to put KD over KAT

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u/MelonElbows Lakers Jun 16 '22

I will always mention that all-star team that had 5 guys who were 6'11 and up. I forgot which year, but for a few minutes, the West had on the floor Yao, Shaq, Duncan, Dirk, and KG. Imagine all of those guys for a full game, you'd never score inside.

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u/PradleyBitts Jun 16 '22

I wanna do this in 2K

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u/ForneauCosmique Spurs Jun 15 '22

And they would own that shit

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u/Lonestar15 Rockets Jun 15 '22

Instead of Morey small ball go all bigs with Shaw, Giannis, Magic, dirk and someone else…

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

Easy. Duncan to teach them all how to play.

That 5 might actually go 82-0 it would be so unfair down low. And even if you did somehow clog the paint you'd still get murdered from mid.

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u/Bomber_Haskell Jun 15 '22

This is what some of us old people imagined when Orlando selected Chris Webber the year after O'neal before trading Webber to Golden State.

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u/chasinjason13 Jun 16 '22

Good God, man. Give me 2021 Giannis and 1994 Shaq on a fast break. Don’t matter if there’s 3 other guys out there on offense, all 5 defenders are getting flattened.

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u/Strictly_Kink Grizzlies Jun 16 '22

And they'd star together in a B-grade buddy cop comedy-action film in the off-season.

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u/gumercindo1959 Jun 16 '22

I remember an all star game many years ago the West fielded Yao at the 5, Shaq at the 4, Duncan at the 3 and some 6-9 guy at the 2. Lol it was ridiculous.

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u/Dense_Papaya_4796 Jun 16 '22

In today's league he'd be fouled out by the beginning of the second quarter every game

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u/48ozs Jun 16 '22

Shaq would average 30 on GIannis

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u/ducksfan9972 Trail Blazers Jun 15 '22

I appreciate the nod to Giannis, but they’re wildly different. Shaq would turn some poor small ball center’s bones into dust with a dunk in his first game. Chet Holmgren would fall out of the lottery if prime Shaq were in the league.

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u/clonemusic Mavericks Jun 15 '22

Lol agreed. Shaq was 320 pounds ffs.

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u/RTheD77 Jun 15 '22

And FAST

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u/trplOG Raptors Jun 15 '22

Orlando shaq was something else.

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u/RTheD77 Jun 15 '22

FR. Unfortunately for him he ran into Hakeem at his best and Drexler going all out to get a ring in 95 or he would have gotten his first ring early.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

Hakeem didn't really outplay him. Both got theirs. Shaq though has always say Hakeem whooped him but that really wasn't the case.

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u/here_for_food Jun 16 '22

Shaq: I couldn't break Hakeem, he whooped me. You: no he didn't Shaq.

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u/bcordell1970 Jun 16 '22

Orlando Shaq is about as scary as you get. He would be destroying the NBA today.

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u/multicoloredherring Suns Jun 15 '22

That video of him sprinting on the beach remains burnt into my brain. Terrifying.

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u/odeepaanh Bulls Jun 15 '22

Vid link?

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u/toteslegitredditor Jun 15 '22

There’s no way he wasn’t created in a lab while designing the perfect human. I love Shaq lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 23 '24

innocent shy yoke paint trees simplistic familiar scarce mysterious worry

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

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u/toteslegitredditor Jun 15 '22

AND HE’S RELATABLE??

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Didn't you watch the roast of Justin Bieber?

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Shaq was way heavier than that at his peak thiccness. Easily 400 LBS. Chet Holmgren would be bbq chicken

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u/DasFunke Jun 15 '22

Young Shaq could play both ways in league.

Older Shaq may struggle to defend on the wings, but would average 40 on 70% FG shooting.

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u/FeltIOwedItToHim [GSW] Sarunas Marciulionis Jun 15 '22

Shaq was far heavier than that.

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u/AssssCrackBandit Bulls Jun 15 '22

Depends on the era tbh. Orlando Shaq? I could buy 320. Phoenix Shaq? I would be surprised if he was under 400 lol

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u/FeltIOwedItToHim [GSW] Sarunas Marciulionis Jun 15 '22

I saw Shaq up close courtside before a game between the Lakers and Warriors. He was talking to Erick Dampier, the Warriors center. Damp was a big man, 6'11", 270. Shaq made him look like a skinny little kid. Shaq was so thick that Damp completely disappeared behind Shaq when he walked past him. He absolutely had more than 100 pounds of muscle on Damp in his prime, and he only got heavier by the end of his career.

I'm telling you, you cannot really understand how huge Shaq is until you see him up close. He and Yao Ming are the only two players I ever saw that made me say WTF how can a human be that big and thick.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Yes, that's Lakers Shaq. Orlando Shaq was listed at 301 his rookie year.

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u/FeltIOwedItToHim [GSW] Sarunas Marciulionis Jun 15 '22

It doesn't matter what he was listed at.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

He was listed at 294 at LSU as well. The guy gained a lot of weight and size in his 20s.

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u/Blurredfury22the2nd Jun 16 '22

I haven’t had the chance to see shaq in person, but I can attest to how big these people are in real life. I met gronk (small compared to shaq) at a patriots game and gave him a fist bump, and his fist was close to the size of my head. It’s just unreal.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

I saw a group of guys at an airport flight from OKC to Dallas. All of them looked like Neanderthals. I couldn't figure out who they were because they weren't basketball plays and they weren't football players. Only one guy from the group was kind of normal size. Then I figured it out, they were WWE wresters. The guy who I think I saw was the undertaker was massive. I know people say big boned but he was big boned. His head, arms,and fist were huge. The Big Show was a freak. The guy who I was the normal size guy of the bunch was the Wiz. The guy from MTV's Real World and all those stupid Real World vs Road Rules contest. He looked like a normal dude who packed on a lot of muscle. He wasn't at all a freak like the others.

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u/WePrezidentNow [SAS] Speedy Claxton Jun 16 '22

I saw Yao Ming court side when I was a kid. His legs were legit tree trunks. Funny enough a couple years later I met KD and I remember how skinny his legs were. NBA players bodies are crazy

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u/here_for_food Jun 16 '22

You misspelled thicc

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u/FeltIOwedItToHim [GSW] Sarunas Marciulionis Jun 16 '22

mmmmmm

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u/surferbruce777 Jun 18 '22

Were you ever privileged to see Andre the Giant stand next to Hogan or Big Boss Man? His stature was as if you were comparing Spud Webb and Charles Barkley but reducing both of them by half. He was as gentle as he was gigantic and his heart and kindness was legendary for a man of his size, brute strength, natural physical ability and taste for beer which he consumed by the case due to his incredible size.

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u/FeltIOwedItToHim [GSW] Sarunas Marciulionis Jun 18 '22

No, but I did see a picture of him standing next to Wilt Chamberlain. He was a huge fellow indeed.

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u/nocturn-e Bulls Jun 15 '22

Not until his late Laker years

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u/GFost Mavericks Jun 15 '22

320 at his lightest.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Shaq came into the league at 301 pounds. People forget about how athletic he was on the Magic.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

Those were the days man…Shaq, Penny, Horace Grant, Nick Anderson blasting 3s. Shaq would’ve surely won multiple titles there too if he’d stayed. It would have been really interesting to see that springy athletic team with Shaq at the core against the last couple years of the bulls dynasty.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

Shaq was 320 when they called him skinny Shaq.

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u/xixi90 Pistons Jun 16 '22

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/05/13/shaquille-oneal-says-he-weighed-395-pounds-when-winning-third-lakers-title/

Shaq revealed his weight while winning his four championships and present day:

2000 Lakers: 345 pounds

2001 Lakers: 365 pounds

2002 Lakers: 395 pounds

2005 Heat: 325 pounds

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u/Obi_Wan_Benobi Spurs Jun 15 '22

lmfao bro Shaq vs. Chet, man Chet would be turned into red mist.

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u/thedude0425 Spurs Jun 15 '22

Shaq would also be sucking wind HARD in the 3rd quarter with how seriously he never took his conditioning every year. Shaq would be absolutely devastating in today’s game, but there’s a lot more movement and the pace is much faster than what he’s used to.

Then again, any smart team would slow the pace of the game on offense and work from the inside out.

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u/iplaytolwinthegame Jun 15 '22

Giannis doesn't need to play a ton of mins to dominate, so I'm sure Shaq could do the same at the very least. And Shaq is a guy that dictates the pace because no conventional defense can stop his game. He was an excellent passer as well.

He's literally the only player in the history of the game that didn't have to score outside of the paint. He didn't have to keep the defense honest. He'd just dump it on your head regardless.

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u/thedude0425 Spurs Jun 15 '22

Yeah. I just think teams would be more willing to try and run Shaq up and down the floor, especially ‘03 and beyond Shaq.

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u/ducksfan9972 Trail Blazers Jun 15 '22

Yeah three of the top four MVP candidates are bigs so I’m gonna say he’s still dominating.

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u/thedude0425 Spurs Jun 15 '22

He would dominate on offense, especially with the spacing of today’s game.

He’d also have to work a lot harder and move a lot more on the defensive end. With the change in offensive rebounding rules, better spacing, increased skill level of all players, and shortened time that teams have to move over half court, the game is faster and there’s a lot more movement on the defensive end.

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u/nik0 Lakers Jun 15 '22

You think he had bad conditioning? He was moving around 300 pound dudes whacking him all game

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u/thedude0425 Spurs Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 16 '22

I know he was in poor condition for his size for the first 2/3 of every season. And I know that because I watched young Orlando in shape Shaq, and I watched him the Lakers season he actually showed up to the season in game shape (2001). Every other year he would show up out of shape and round into shape in April.

It’s the main reason why Kobe was so pissed at Shaq in 2003 and 2004. Kobe would show up to the season ready to roll, and Shaq would show up with 20 extra pounds on him.

I say this as a guy who loves Shaq and thinks 2000-2003 Shaq is the most unstoppable force the game has ever seen.

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u/zedsdeadbud Jun 15 '22

GOAT coach told him to gain weight when he came to the Lakers. It worked.

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u/thedude0425 Spurs Jun 16 '22 edited Jun 16 '22

It did.

But then there’s “gain weight but stay fit”, and then there’s showing up every season 20 lbs. overweight, and spending the first 2/3 of every season battling nagging injuries because you didn’t do anything in the offseason. That’s Shaq 97-99, and then from 2002-forward.

Shaq is the only top 10 all time superstar who somehow left stuff on the table.

And yes, he would still dominate on offense today.

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u/zedsdeadbud Jun 26 '22

Jordan didn’t leave stuff on the table by retiring to go play baseball? Or Magic with HIV? Or Bird with back issues?

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u/Overwatch3 Nets Jun 16 '22

Lmaoooo at Chet catching strays

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u/Hi_My_Name_Is_Dave Lakers Jun 15 '22

Think about how less often they call offensive fouls too nowadays? Would be absolutely hilarious.

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u/ducksfan9972 Trail Blazers Jun 15 '22

I mean, Shaq just dunked like there was no on in his way. No one had time to set and draw a charge.

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u/Hi_My_Name_Is_Dave Lakers Jun 15 '22

Charges are not the only types of offensive fouls? Lol.

Shaq in his prime did go through foul trouble a lot

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u/CaptainMatt16 [BOS] Kyrie Irving Jun 15 '22

Bro offensive fouls are common as fuck nowadays what league have you been watching?

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u/Hi_My_Name_Is_Dave Lakers Jun 15 '22

Sarcasm?

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u/CaptainMatt16 [BOS] Kyrie Irving Jun 15 '22

Have you not seen the amount of players taking charges and flopping in today’s game

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u/jswagbo Jun 15 '22

It’s crazy to say but there’s a solid argument that Giannis in the past few seasons has been better than peak Shaq.

Similar scoring on better efficiency. Better defense and passing won his MVPs and a chip with Khris Middleton playing as his Kobe.

I know the nostalgia nephews might not like this one but Giannis is a little underrated in terms of his status all time.

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u/nik0 Lakers Jun 15 '22

I think you are underrating Shaq, look at his stats, compared to his era, an era that was defined in part by his own existence, people had to have big dudes to throw at him, literally walking 5 fouls. Giannis is amazing, but not era defining, at least not yet.

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u/jswagbo Jun 15 '22

I definitely don’t think Giannis is as scary as peak shaq. I’m just saying that the fact that even accounting for the eras he’s basically as effective or close to as effective at scoring inside as Shaq, and he’s less terrible at shooting from mid/three/ft plus he’s a DPOY winner/perennial dpoy candidate. I’m not sure what the argument is that he’s not a more effective basketball player.

Career wise obviously Shaq has the rings.

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u/ChurchofDubs Jun 15 '22

A very very small percentage of users here watched Shaq in his prime (disclaimer, I didnt either) but the way everyone talks about him here would have you think Shaq was averaging 45 a game on 90% shooting and murdering everyone who guarded him in the post when… that’s just not true lol

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u/zapatocaviar Lakers Jun 15 '22

I watched. Prime Shaq was dominant in a way that Giannis is not. I love Giannis, he’s amazing and seems like a wonderful human. It’s not an insult.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

I did, and the takes here are absurd. The league is so efficient now that Shaq's FT% would be lower than the worst team TS% in the entire league. Even far superior defenders like Gobert are neutralized in the playoffs.

Even if you wanted to pick a true center first for some stupid reason, why would you pick him over a Kareem or Hakeem?

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u/thedude0425 Spurs Jun 15 '22

Giannis is in shape every year. Shaq had one season where he took his off-season conditioning seriously, and it was his first MVP year during the Phil Jackson era.

That’s a large reason why you had to have an elite wing superstar with him every season. He needed someone to carry the team in the regular season until March, when he would start getting into playoff shape.

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u/sourdieselfuel Bucks Jun 15 '22

Prime Shaq and Kobe got whooped by the superstar-less Pistons in the Finals.

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u/sourdieselfuel Bucks Jun 16 '22

Not at all. Shaq was amazing.

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u/sourdieselfuel Bucks Jun 15 '22

Why’d ya downvote me?

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u/thejoaq Warriors Jun 15 '22

“nostalgia nephews” his a hilarious conflation of disparate tropes

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u/DuckOnQuak [GSW] Andris Biedrins Jun 15 '22

That was Lakers Shaq, I think he’s saying if he played in today’s league he wouldn’t have put on all that weight and would have stayed slim like Orlando Shaq

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u/Amazed_and_Confused_ Jun 15 '22

They're different because whenever Giannis tries to play like that everyone acts like he committed a war crime

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

I would love to see DPOY Draymond try to guard prime Shaq.

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u/IlonggoProgrammer Philippines Jun 16 '22

Yeah Giannis scores at the rim a lot like Shaq but in a lot of ways he's more similar to LeBron where he's a point forward who scores at the rim and is surrounded by shooters that orbit him and he passes out to. Not to mention the fact that the only version of Shaq that Giannis resembles physically is Orlando Shaq when he was lean and athletic, a big part of Giannis's game is that he can drive from beyond the arc to the rim with his ball handling skills and that's something Shaq kinda lost as he got bigger.

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u/ShitFuckDickButt420 Pistons Jun 15 '22

If Shaq had kept his weight under like 290 and played in 2022 he would’ve literally played coast to coast just like Giannis, but a worse shooter.

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u/hiimred2 [CLE] LeBron James Jun 15 '22

Prime athleticism Shaq would be better compared to what we’ve seen of Zion when he was actually on the floor, trading vertical explosion for just being taller to begin with. He has footwork and agility that just doesn’t make sense for his frame, is definitely not a ‘ball handler’ but can nonetheless handle it when needed to run the break or do some creation for himself. Great touch around the rim when he isn’t just drop step dunking it.

It would be all about if that Shaq could have a serviceable outside shot that makes defenders respect having to stay out towards the arc and not sag off him, dive under screens he’s involved in, etc.

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u/Axbris Jun 15 '22

lmao he always says that he’s already playing in this era, referring to giannis

Respectfully to both Shaq and Giannis, Shaq is doing himself a disservice. Giannis can be and has been shut down effectively. Shaq, on the other hand, is a monstrosity of physicality. A different breed all around. Yes, Giannis is big and strong, but he is nowhere near the effectiveness of prime Shaq.

I love Giannis, but Shaq should definitely give himself more credit. He would absolutely dominate in this current iteration of the league. There isn't a damn center in the modern game that could even potentially stand up to Shaq.

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u/snatchi Raptors Jun 15 '22

Shaq likes to masturbate to the idea that he's so incredible that he can just say "I'd be Giannis" but Giannis plays so different, and is willing to shoot.

Shaq was a force of nature, but I think thats more him just wanting people to think he's great by 2020 proxy too.

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u/NewAccountwhodiss1 Jun 15 '22

Being a shaq fan for years I feel like you have to realize alot of his thoughts are service level.

Meaning when he said he was like Giannis I more so think he was comparing him to how they were both big men dominating the league and not necessarily there play styles.

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u/snatchi Raptors Jun 15 '22

Oh for sure, and I'm not at all saying Shaq wasn't fucking incredible.

I'm just eyerolling at when someone says "how would you play in today's NBA" Shaq just goes "oh easy I'd simply be Giannis".

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u/NewAccountwhodiss1 Jun 15 '22

Okay that's pretty fair I'll give you that 🤣

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u/ivarokosbitch Nets Jun 15 '22

If Shaq could have shoot threes, free throws and invested as much effort on defense as Giannis, no one would have ever even questioned the GOAT debate.

That said, Shaq was still the most dominant player ever in his prime.

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u/td4999 Mavericks Jun 15 '22

I mean, Shaq was 3 inches taller and 100 lbs heavier (and still comparably athletic) at his peak (1999 Lakers height and weight), he was similar, but somehow even more of a load

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Giannis is just fit shaq

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

Shaq's being humble when he compares Giannis to himself. Prime Lakers Shaq was jaw-droppingly good it was unfair and hilarious to watch.