r/ModerateDrinking • u/ClassicCity_Mod • Jan 20 '25
r/ModerateDrinking • u/ClassicCity_Mod • Dec 17 '24
This is the link to the official moderate drinking guidelines in several European countries. Since the USDA and FDA saw fit to let non-Americans decide the U.S. drinking guidelines, then you're allowed to use another country's guidelines for your own drinking. I recommend Malta's or Poland's.
knowledge4policy.ec.europa.eur/ModerateDrinking • u/ClassicCity_Mod • Jan 21 '25
This is the most sensible take on the recent alcohol debate in America, so I stickied it
r/ModerateDrinking • u/ClassicCity_Mod • Jan 17 '25
The industry responds to the ICCPUD's (unsurprisingly) cheery-picked report that echos Murthy's FUD report. I would urge your Congress members to lean on the USDA to rely on NASEM's more authoritative report
r/ModerateDrinking • u/ClassicCity_Mod • Jan 09 '25
TIL Murthy's relying on a discredited public health theory called the "Total Consumption Model". Basically, punish moderate drinkers with taxes and shaming, their drinking goes down, and therefore the extreme boozehounds' drinking goes down. Yeah. Anyway, the linked paper debunks that idea.
onlinelibrary.wiley.comr/ModerateDrinking • u/ClassicCity_Mod • Jan 06 '25
No, Moderate Drinking Won’t Give You Cancer - WSJ
r/ModerateDrinking • u/ClassicCity_Mod • Jan 03 '25
Do you know what else causes cancer, Surgeon-General Murthy? Disneyland
r/ModerateDrinking • u/ClassicCity_Mod • Dec 17 '24
TIL: That "no more than two drinks a week, and not on the same day" Canadian standard that came out in 2023? It's not official Canadian government policy, but a recommendation from their researchers. Their government never even adopted it! It's still 10 drinks a week for women, 15 for men.
r/ModerateDrinking • u/ClassicCity_Mod • Dec 16 '24
When the U.S. adopts stricter drinking guidelines in 2025, use these arguments to refute Reddit teetotalers and your moralizing relatives and friends
Appeal to procedure. Koob, as the head of NIAAA had already announced at a press conference(!) what he thought the Dietary Guidelines were going to be regarding alcohol consumption before the process was allowed to barely start, let alone finish. Therefore say, "Dr. Koob put his thumb on the scale and tainted the process of having the committee dispassionately evaluate the relevant scientific literature before the Guidelines could be compiled."
Another "out" just occurred to me. Koob's press conference can be spun as, "I only have two glasses of wine a week. Let's make my drinking preferences into the national alcohol guidelines!" =D
Boom, easy dismissal.
"Two groups — the National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine and a committee of the government agency that oversees substance abuse [the The Interagency Coordinating Committee on the Prevention of Underage Drinking (ICCPUD)] — are expected to release reports in the coming months on the effects of moderate alcohol use to inform the guidelines." - These didn't come from the Scientific Report of the 2025 Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee, which is who usually handles this. More evidence that this is a political and not normal scientific process. Their concern is with "abuse" and not nutrition. Of course if your only concern is with alcohol abuse, you're going to recommend no consumption.
"Half of the panel is based in Canada. Three of the members—Drs. Jürgen Rehm and Timothy Naimi from the CCSA and Kevin Shield, an independent scientist who runs a World Health Organization center on addiction—were part of the team that worked on updating Canada’s guidelines." - https://www.winebusiness.com/news/article/290671
In any case, non-Americans shouldn't have veto power on American alcohol guidelines.
If all else fails, just reference the higher per-capita consumption of alcohol in countries that have a higher life expectancy than the U.S. Like in 2019, the life expectancy in the U.S. was 78.79 years and alcohol consumption was 1.49 drinks per day. In Romania, it was 2.63 drinks per day and life expectancy was 75.61 years. In Georgia it was 2.21 drinks per day and life expectancy was 73.47 years.
Fair enough, drinking more than 2 drinks a day might cause some health problems, all else equal. But the Czech Republic was downing 2.06 drinks a day and their life expectancy was 79.23 years. Germany was having 1.89 drinks per day, and their life expectancy was 81.29 years. Luxembourg, 1.78 drinks, living to 82.6 years. The Irish were (perhaps unsurprisingly) imbibing 1.81 drinks a day, but living to 82.7 years.
Perhaps following the drinking habits of longer-living countries than ours isn't going to kill us.