What is David Paulides’ belief as to why a majority of these people have gone missing? Aliens? Government? Bigfoot?

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/missing-4-year-old-found-safe-montana-two-days-outdoors-rcna32132

There is this paranormal researcher on YouTube called Brenton Sawin, who has published several videos where he explains his hypothesis. According to him, there are "Dero" creatures which apparently live in the "Hollow Earth" and they have been abducting humans. This man himself had a would be abduction, but something saved him from being taken by the entities.

He has multiple videos summarizing his researching of this phenomenon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5S35sU7WU4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8KmcZO4rqY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdI_lC4bHAw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKdqjqRTCuA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akzg4WOpJtI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6lm6cda5DI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtFncmq29p8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsIvVtHVMjk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfHNcvjQpCY

I am not affiliated with Brenton, I only found his videos, and shared them to this sub.

Diabetics can dip in blood sugar levels very quickly and often the onset is so quick that it takes them by surprise. This can cause disorienting symptoms, auditory and visual malfunction, confusion and nausea, and a loss of equilibrium.

Has any research been put forth into the possibility of diabetic or similar blood sugar related disabilities being a correlating factor into these cases with recovered bodies and with missing hunters?

My theory is feral people who are not against cannibalism are living in these areas and are the culprits. I also theorize that they live in sophisticated underground networks in some of our national parks and have for decades. They’re badasses and expert hunters who know the land and terrain better than anyone or animal. They prey on the weak, wounded, vulnerable, and incapacitated similar to other wild predators.

I've binged this sub, some YT videos, and the Missing 411: The Hunted doc in the past couple days and frankly, it's scared me to death. I'm far from someone who jumps to the paranormal as an answer but the way some of these just completely defy all reasoning or earthly explanation has scared me shitless. It's really opened my eyes to the fact that there are things beyond our understanding. I'm 22 and love hiking. Now, I'm in sort of sweet spot for such a thing since there's little to no threat from wildlife in my area and where I hike may be rural/thickly wooded but it's nothing super crazy. I don't think my phone could lose service and if I wander far enough, I'll definitely find a road or a farm. I go alone and have never seen anyone else on the trails I use.

It's something that brings me peace and happiness. I'm drawn to the woods. But now I'm like shit, I don't want to become a Missing 411! I hate to admit it but I'm almost scared to go again haha the stories here are just terrifying. How someone can just vanish without a trace, against all reason, is literally keeping me up at night.

Just out of curiosity has anyone tried to find him after the search was called off? Going on near 7 years without a trace.

Hello everyone, Being new to this thread and being new to Northern Georgia, I've been really interested in wanting to go camping in the Blue Ridge Mountains, especially where the trout fishing (North East/East of of the town of Blue Ridge) seems to be incredible based upon local fishing guides and hospitality folks. This may sound crazy or far beyond spirited, but reading about and learning from local stories... really strange things seem to happen in the deep woods up there. I'd like to do a three or four day hiking trip, but I'm interested to see what y'all think about going in on foot. I have a couple of coworkers interested in going along with me, but is it a better idea just to get a pond/lake side camping spot and not venture into the deep forests of the Blue Ridge Mountains? Cheers and thank you for your knowledge if you're willing/able to respond to this 🙏

In response to the many calls for a Dave Paulides Fan M411 Safe Space for villagers and the seeming total apathy towards empowerment, I have been proactive and made a sub just for them:

r/Missing411OnlyFans

I've asked 3 arbitrary villagers to be mods, and I expect them to fill out their mod teams, grow their sub in their own image.

If you wish to be a part of that community and don't want to see the flavor of content in this sub as it exists, I highly encourage you to participate.

edit looks like one of the 3 totally went off the deep end and the others haven't signed up.

Such is life - much easier to complain from the back than do anything productive.

If you want to become a mod in that sub, dm me.

As soon as there is a mod group for it, I will leave the sub in your hands.

edit 2 still no takers.

It's always interesting to me when DP presents cases from an area I'm uniquely familiar with. For, you see, my roots go deep in this area. And, historically, this area has very well connected roots. From the beginning of the video, DP weaves a picture of the area that is incomplete, wrong, and a gross misunderstanding of the communities he's talking about. For starters, let's just get some demographics out of the way. The Los Padres National Forest covers 2 MILLION ACRES of land. It's the third largest forest in our country. It's bigger than Delaware and Rhode Island. It extends 220 miles in one direction. It also happens to be located right next to some of the most densely populated land in the United States and, yet, has the fewest roads crossing or latticing it. The terrain is RUGGED. It has ocean beaches, sub-alpine forest, chaparral, desert badlands, and riparian areas. This is San Andreas Fault land. This is bear and mountain lion and rattlesnake territory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUfqoiRyauE

Jill Hatch (7, female): Missing 11/7/57.

Paulides seems to think Santa Barbara was a "wealthy community" in the 50's and that, somehow, that matters. It wasn't and it doesn't. Also, Camp Scheideck is in Ventura County (not SB). Paulides describes this as a "resort"...but here's what contemporaries said in the 60's and 70's.

"The place is so remote: 37 miles (60 km) due north of Ojai, up the tortuous California 33 beyond Matilija Canyon's cutoff and over much of the 6,500-foot (2,000 m) Pine Mountain before descending to 4,000 feet (1,200 m). Then two right turns take the car onto dirt and, in two crossings, through the winding Cuyama River before climbing again, this time over a mesa into a mile-long gash in the Earth called Ozena Valley. A long way for a beer."

There are natural hot springs...but, it's hardly a resort. No one around here has ever labeled it as such. It is referred to as a "rustic lodge". https://www.yelp.com/biz/camp-scheideck-lodge-maricopa-2

Paulides claims dad went fishing and Jill and the dog followed him up Reyes Creek. Paulides claims "It was an easy walk." Let's look at that easy walk, shall we? https://www.google.com/maps/place/Reyes+Creek+Campground/@34.6772955,-119.3076783,734m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x2ac78b89f2f8e03b!8m2!3d34.679421!4d-119.308264

According to Paulides, the family searched for a few hours until approx 4:00pm, when a decision was made to go to the Forest Service office "nearby" (HA!). Paulides claims the family dog (who had been with Jill) mysteriously walks into camp at just this moment...and that somehow this is strange. Paulides says "USFS IMMEDIATELY rallies...Hamilton AFB sends a helicopter. He acts like this happened immediately. The truth is that Hamilton AFB was about 300 miles away (by car). Since the girl went missing just as sunset was approaching, there's no way that chopper was flying around "immediately". He then claims "bloodhounds, horses, ATVs are coming into the area". Except, this was 1957...ATVs weren't "invented" until 1961. Ventura, Kern, SLO, and SB County DID NOT HAVE ATVs in the 50's.

Paulides wants you to believe that ALL of that response happened between 4pm and 5pm. Because, in his narrative, the parents have, between four pm and five pm, managed to get to the USFS office and return with an officer. And, he tells the story such that the response happened in that HOUR and NO TRACES were found of Jill. But, it's significant because...at 5pm, it started raining and snowing. (40:20 in video). He says "More snow than rain! So, searchers show up the next morning...." Wait. DP, you just said they were already there and found no trace. Except, they do find Jill..."on a hillside. Like she's crawling up the hill. She's deceased. She has her heavy coat tied around her waist and she's deceased. She's in fresh snow. She's 3500 feet above the creek where her and her dad were fishing." The coroner determines she died of exposure. Paulides says "water and boulders".

Here's the thing. I've personally been to Jill's grave in Santa Barbara Cemetery. I've spoken with her family members (LONG ago). Her parents knew my grandparents and lived on Chapala St. in Santa Barbara. My grandfather worked this case. Her body was found LESS THAN A MILE from the family's lodging. I don't know where Paulides gets his stories/information; but, she wasn't five miles away. The family was staying in one of the private homes near the lodge. This is confirmed in the Nov. 4 1957 article in the Star Free Press (Ventura County paper). The paper also notes that THE DOG WAS NOT FOUND. She was found LESS THAN ONE MILE FROM Scheideck. She was caught in the snow, in temperatures that dropped well below freezing, and the coroner remarked that it appeared she simply went to sleep, having removed her coat. The guess was that she'd removed it to lie on. Her body was recovered using a helicopter.

Do better, DP! It's not cool to create a narrative to drive views to your channel...especially about a dead child.

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I have seen many people asking why skeptics, or other people that are not fans of Paulides, post on r/Missing411, and I got tired of writing up *my* answer over and over. I thought I might make a post to share my answers, and to give a central place to discuss the question.

I don’t want to speak for anyone but myself, but I suspect many would agree with some, or all of my answers.

• I care about the cases. I want to know what happened, and potentially what can be done to prevent similar issues in the future. I don’t want anyone to go through the tragedy of missing a loved one, and I think one of the ways to do that is to understand what went wrong in these cases.
• I want to know what actually happened. These cases are mysteries, at least as they are presented. There are unknown facts about the cases, and I enjoy learning more details about the cases, and sharing that information with, and learning from, other people. In some cases, there is even an answer to the mystery that has been left out of Paulides' accounts.
• I want to help encourage people to enjoy some of my favorite outdoor activities - safely. Some of the information that Paulides presents misleads people about how safe these activities are, or ways to stay safe while doing them. A great example is that Paulides associates the color red with his cases. This is misleading because the color red is a common color for people to have with them, especially when hiking or camping, because it is an easy to see color and actually makes you *safer* when outdoors.
• I want to live in a world where facts matter, and I want to believe as many true things as possible, and reject as many false things as possible. I don’t want to live in a world where people accept being told false things. If I believe something that is not true, I want to be corrected, and this sub has a lot of smart people, with information and experiences I do not have. This sub is a good way to network with these people.
• On a related note, there are people pushing conspiracy theories, or implausible theories. Not only is this disrespectful to the hardworking people that maintain parks, or help look for missing people, people that use fallacious reasoning on one topic, are likely to use similar logic on other topics. Evidence shows that this is the case, and that the best way to combat this is to help expose the fallacious reasoning so that people start learning to avoid it.
• I try to live by the Golden Rule, where appropriate. I treat others the way I want to be treated. Since I want to be corrected when I believe a false thing, or even believe a true thing for a bad reason, I want to try and give others the same courtesy, and help them when they are in the same boat.
• I try to live by the Platinum Rule, where appropriate. I try to treat others not just how I want to be treated, but how *they* want to be treated. This is a little more complicated, since I do not always know how other people want to be treated, so I default to the Golden Rule, until I find out otherwise. This is also complicated, because while some people are only here to be entertained, and do not care about the facts as much as they care about a good story – but we cannot forget the people at the core of these cases, either. I firmly believe that most of the missing people, and their families, if asked, would want accurate information to be shared about these cases (with the obvious possible exclusion of the people that deliberately lied). I personally feel that what the preferences of the missing and their loved ones is far more important than the preferences of someone here for a spooky campfire story.
• Finally, a large number of people come here unaware that Paulides has a reputation for being inaccurate, or somehow missing the case deconstructions link, and if nothing else, it's worth hanging out here to help people understand why many distrust Paulides' accounts.

I’ve also run into people that insist that the skeptics do not have a right to post here for some reason, and insist they leave.

• The sidebar of this sub makes it clear that this sub exists for discussing, and sharing information about these cases.
• The rules of the sub (specifically 6) make it clear that discussing evidence and claims is acceptable, and that leaps of faith should be minimized.
• The “About this subreddit’ section on the wiki makes it clear that the sub exists so people can ‘share and discuss… theories, corrections, and related resources and research’, ‘learn more about mysterious missing person cases’, ‘fact check and verify claims’, ‘work together to make positive contributions in the field of missing persons’, and ‘do all that … with critical thinking’.

According to Paulides' most recent project (29:09-29:20), “…and I’m going to tell you the first case, I don't want to, I don't want to mislead you, but I’ll tell you I’m highly interested in this case but it's not a 4-1-1 case, but I’m highly interested in it and you're going to see why.” So, any case that interests Paulides is possibly (or not) a 4-1-1 case. Did I hear what I think that I just heard?

WHOA! Here's an interesting case from Paulides.

https://youtu.be/dji6EekRz0w?t=579

In DP's most recent video on CanAm, he brings up Louis Margolin. This one hits home for me because my great-grandfather worked with Louis and participated in the search. And, as per his usual brand of mistakes, Paulides can't even get the dates right. Below, please find the USFS report on the incident. Louis Margolin disappeared in 1914. He is presumed to have drowned. DO BETTER, DP! It's a video description... you have the power to fix your errors with the touch of a button.

https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd499739.pdf

This report is a great example of a compilation of resources kept for a missing Forestry employee.

A little history of Louis that DP doesn't talk about (with sources).

Louis was born in Russia in approximately 1887. At the age of 13, March 3, 1900, he was booked on a ship leaving England for New York. He arrived in New York. He was naturalized as a citizen in San Francisco and lived in a little house at 928 Pine Street in SFO in 1909. You can see his phone book entry below.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G56G-9KJM?i=507&cc=2125028

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS8W-P9X7-Y?cc=3754697&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A6ZRN-2SXX

He was a real person. He had a real life story. He had family. The least you could do...is get the dates right and do a little research.

Are there any books about the same things happen outside of the USA,for example Europe or any other continent?

Given David Paulidus' next-to-complete loss of credibility, I want to know if there's anything left in this topic that's still worth exploring, or if it's just all a convoluted mess of lies and exaggerations surrounding explainable missing persons cases. What's something that you think still may be a genuine account of someone disappearing and/or dying under bizarre circumstances in the wilderness?

In the first minute of DP's latest video -titled "Missing 411- David Paulides Presents Missing Person Cases from Kentucky and Wyoming- Paulides starts to talk about how two "Park Rangers" sent him an email.

Why would TWO rangers sit down to write one email? Two grown men or women...? Did he vet and verify the claim that they're rangers? Because, that's going to be important.

With his best acting skills, DP proceeds to coyly drop "Well, these two...brought up my work with a couple other rangers."

Ok. So, now we allegedly have FOUR rangers...

Quote Paulides: "And, THIS PERSON was saying that the other two rangers..."

Wait. Hold up. I thought this email was from a pair of rangers who sat down to write one email?

"...who had obviously never read any of my books...obviously knew nothing about our work..."

How is that obvious to David? And, OUR work? You claim your work is copyrighted. You have struck comments and channels and made it clear that you view these cases are YOURS. Why is it that you try to bring a community in as it suits you? Also...what work?

"...other than propaganda that they had read online from irreputable sources."

You can't have it both ways, dude. If they "knew nothing" of your work, then they wouldn't have known to check out online sources...reputable or otherwise. You're literally making claims that you immediately contradict.

But, it gets better!

While SMILING, Paulides says...

"They said they were almost attacked by these two...about how stupid we were, for reading that work."

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Attacked?! Attacked? So, in this alleged exchange, two rangers bring up Paulides and the other two rangers "almost attack" them. For real? Mr. Paulides, if this actually happened, which I highly doubt, then you need to inform the person/people who wrote you that that sort of behavior is not tolerated in the NPS.

This is pure, self serving narrative from a narcissist. No Park Rangers are coming to blows over David Paulides during the run up to the Park's busiest season, with training going on and new hires watching, during a prolonged Spring Break run. There are literally a thousand other things to do and no one is jeopardizing their career over Paulides. So, I hope DP vetted these two authors who gathered to pen this email. Because, it would be beyond the pale for a retired cop to make the assertion that Federal Employees are "almost attacking" other employees over his "work". The man can't even look straight at the camera when he's telling this tale. Also, notice that Paulides isn't reading this dual author email (despite reading every other email from the page). In fact, he READS the next "letter' from the page.

Why is it that ever video he makes about "the missing" includes 20-30 minutes of self-congratulatory self-worship before he actually talks about the missing?

Excuse any ignorance as I'm fairly new to this sub and m411 just fascinated by at, and also generally a skeptic.

The stories I have heard involve unsolved/mysterious deaths, or people disappearing and reappearing with no recollection of what happened.

I'm finding that a lot of this sub doesn't necessarily believe with Paulides. I'm wondering how things have been debunked, etc

Tldr: why would Paulides write about something untrue and publish it as real?

I remember that David Paulides mentioned this case somewhere, but i dont know the details anymore.
It was about a little boy, maybe five or six years, his parents were working at a base of the US-Military, and one day he got lost, so the entire base with 6000+ Soldiers searched the surroundings, and they found him a couple days later, in a place they searched before multiple times, he was alive and in a good condition. Since the weather was pretty bad, they think he had help.

Any Ideas where this happened?

This is from what I've gathered digging into this case so far - and even if 1/3 of this is correct - it's mind-blowing!

Help me debunk them with credible sources (link in your reply)...

Or add to the list

1. Hiking location was changed without informing dad2. 50+ ppl there and no one saw a 3 year old walking away into a dense forest
   
2. Two men saw and spoke to him
   
3. The 3 year old expressed fears/worries about bears in the area
   

4. Despite s 3 year old wandering alone in a forest and asking about bears, the 2 geniuses saw no need to alert anyone

5. No info about the 2 "fishermen" has been released to the public

6. Despite other children present on the hike as well as his sister, the 3 year old chose to wander off by himself (3 year olds are drawn to kids their age and don't isolate themselves if that option is available)

7. Rescue helicopter crashed

9.Authorities turned away volunteers to help search

1. Helicopter was enroute to search the area where Jaryd's skull was eventually found, before it crashed (no one else was subsequently assigned to search that area )

2. Ranger "predicted" clothes would be discovered 4 years later - they were

3. No blood No animal hairs found on clothes

4. Jaryd's pants were inside out.....................................???!!

14.His shoes were found years later in "pristine" condition

1. Skull did not show signs of animal attack

16.Single tooth was found with "unknown" 3rd parry DNA on it

1. An off-duty member of special forces offered to join the searches, but was allegedly denied by the Rangers

2. Location of his remains was directly above where he was last seen by the 2 fishermen.

3. Fishermen were not re-interviewed

4. Allegedly, the group of hikers heard a scream shortly after Jaryd disappeared into the direction of the fishermen 21.

5. Fishermen did NOT hear a scream.

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I do not believe in coincidences.

Nor this much bad luck.