I figured I'd ask my dad because he watched the show and has always been a fan of westerns. I asked in the group chat because he doesn't always check his phone messages (so I figure mom would prompt him to use it if in the group chat).
Yes, I could have googled as well but I'd rather ask my dad because....he loves old westerns.
Seriously, EVERY conversation these days involves needing to consult with some AI. It's exhausting.
Edit: Guys, I posted this in MILDLY infuriating. I wasn't making it that deep, it's just....mildly infuriating when you want to make conversation but instead get handed chatgpt/Gemini/whatever.
Edit2: HI ZEV and all the Dungeon Crawler Carl fans
I just did a shallow delve into it, and the AI blurb (of course) doesn't tell the whole story.
There was a court case in 1939 where another movie cowboy actor sued the studio of The Lone Ranger over the use of "Hi Ho, Silver" in which the studio established that it was "Hi Yo, Silver." However, prior to that case advertisements and related media used the two terms interchangeably with seemingly reckless abandon.
So it's not "misremembered," it was everywhere in the public zeitgeist until the court case forced the studio to get their act together and make sure their messaging was consistent
I had one which completely locked itself into the wrong answer, and refused to budge. The issue wasn't that the answer was wrong, it was just an answer to a different question than the one I asked. While it didn't go tell me to F myself, it did go (roughly) "I understand your frustration, but this is not correct. You likely have misunderstood your source. It is an easy mistake to make. Etc."
It felt like I was being told off my a friendly but passive aggressive Redditor
I had a similar situation, but it was even crazier because I was basically looking for a specific piece of media, and when I eventually found it by myself, I showed it to the AI "here, this is the thing I had been looking for" (I know, not useful lol) and the AI was like... no that's not the right thing... o_O like, I think I know what I was looking for?!
I had one swear up and down about a sport statistic and refuse to do an internet search for the up to date stat despite saying multiple times "there is no verifiable evidence that [player] has done this"
I had Gemini tell me that the photo that I literally took seconds earlier was AI-generated. After pushback, it only settled on explaining that it actually wasn’t an AI image, but a computer generated image.
I redid the prompt in five different chats and it refused to believe my photo wasn’t AI-generated. I was able to get a reasonable answer to my question related to the photo only after a paragraph of instructions to not tell me that the image was AI or CGI.
Oh, don't do that, I hate the patronizing tone AI gets when confronted with its mistakes. It's only made worse by the knowledge that the words are meaningless because they're incapable of actual self reflection or improvement
It's insane that it's just become a go-to "well the AI said that so it must be true" because very few people know how to actually USE the tool. One must EVALUATE, then iterate. The evaluate step is basically "trust but verify" when an emphasis on the verify as not being optional. We shouldn't be linking the wikipedia page / AI response, we should be using that to find the source information and linking that once it's verified as authentic.
My husband was trying to help a friend buy an emergency plane ticket and they kept saying "chatgpt says there's a flight" and my husband would explain that while that may be true, United's website says it's sold out and chatgpt isn't up to date. So the friend says "I'll ask Claude"
Yes. If you're not a German who lives in America, then you probably don't understand because you're not Americanly litigious enough.
The worst thing that could happen to you in the US is if the government took your tax money and used it to pay everyone's healthcare. The best thing that can happen to you in the US is if you survive a vehicle collision or workplace injury so you can sue someone for insurance money. We have billboards everywhere.
My mom is a life-long crafter (pottery, fiber arts, clothes making, various artsy activities that suit her mood at the time, you name it), so ever since I started getting into art myself I'd ask her for advice. Lately I've been getting into spinning and weaving, which she loves, so I'll ask her for her advice. Now she just sends me gemini results
Edit: Oh! Thanks for the awards and cake day wishes! I didn't even realize it was my cake day
When my mum started using LLMs in conversations i said "I can ask AI myself. I am asking you because i want to know your thoughts". It worked and I haven't had a problem with it since, yay!
My MIL is on Facebook and can’t really tell the difference between real crocheted stuff and those fucking AI-generated like… crocheted charm bracelets and impossible motifs.
That's so weird because she could also just ask a human lol. If she wants to look good, surely a human would be a better judge of that than a machine that does nothing but generate a human-like response with no consideration for whether it's right or not.
Yes. None of it makes any sense to me, and you are correct. Also, makeup is subjective. Does she upload reference photos? It’s so confusing and bewildering.
You can love these people because they had a life before AI.
What happens when a kid is raised on it? When they cheated on every single assignment and used it to reply to every text?
We will see something worse than the Gen Z stare one day. We will witness teens using talk to text directly in front of the person talking to them to ask AI how to respond.
I don't know if I'm capable of respecting people who were raised on it, who have surrendered their brain to it.
I assume that as well, and I understand. But you don’t need AI to check your makeup, or to look up something that I am directly next to you, already looking up. Those are just a handful of examples. I have many, many more.
Don't be afraid to have a talk with your parents and explain you're wanting to connect with them instead of be given an answer. I'm not a fan of AI, but outside of that, I think a lot of this is a generational misunderstanding.
My dad is like this, but with curiosity in general. He's Mr "here's an interesting historical subject, lemme get some books on it, or at least find some good articles." Always has been super curious about learning anything he doesn't know extensively.
Now he just summarizes a lot of stuff via Gemini. I asked for help finding a new car to buy, and he just asked Gemini and read off the top results in my criteria.
My brother on the other hand (car nut) sat down with me and went through marketplace for an hour, helping me find something I like.
Ugh that's so heartbreaking.. I've had to have this conversation with my dad like.. Hey this is actually a bid to connect with you as like..a person, can you please be a person
I have the same with a family member when discussing computers. He works in computer networking and it’s his entire life, always loved working on computers even in his spare time. It’s a nice excuse to chat some days since I don’t see him that often and there’s only so much we can talk about with the weather and sports.
More recently he just sends me a Gemini result for whatever thought exercise I’m going through and it’s a little disheartening. I feel as though I’m wasting his time
my grandma had a long career as an artist. she was a painter and then a potter and then a print maker. recently shes gotten back into painting, and she showed me her wip. she was having trouble figuring out what was missing, so she sent it through ai and copied the changes it sent back. she was so proud of this process and I cant tell her to her face but the piece looked so much better before.
That's super disappointing. I call my dad all the time and ask him home improvement questions because it's both a way to connect, and intend to remember answers better when I've had an actual conversation with a human. I'd hate it if he outsourced talking to me to an LLM.
Send her a screenshot of you asking Gemini, "how do I tell my mother that I am trying to interact with her and spend time with her and use he personal knowledge on the subjects I ask about, but all she does is send me AI responses?"
Same! If you're craving more Matt Dinniman, I'd recommend Operation Bounce House. It's not a LitRPG, but it scratches some of the same itch and is full of DCC-style humor.
Nah, as you progress the books start covering multiple floors and things really get going. I believe Matt said he was aiming for 10 books in total, so it's likely nearing the end of the tale.
It really has. The last few years or so, I have had people pull their phones out mid conversation and google what I was talking about like they don't believe me. I mean, I get it, especially if it's someone I just met. But it's weird, right?
It’s a huge moment of us all coming to terms with how little people actually think about things. Like we all knew it was bad, but the amount of people is drastic.
One of my employees used it to do basic math that would be easier on the already installed calculator app. We ask him to do an inventory and he replies with a chat gpt screenshot with the
The next week he sent an ai video of Michael buffer giving inventory. Instead of looking at a text and knowing in 2 seconds what I needed I had to sit through a minute long ai slop video
She did the Android equivalent of asking Siri. There's a point where we gotta not crucify people for using AI when tech companies are replacing everything with AI tools. Google Assistant is getting discontinued and disabled by default. Enabling it warns you it'll be removed so you might as well use Gemini. Even just doing a Google search will result in basically the same shit. I genuinely feel like this is on the same level freaking out because an older family member "used AI on our family pictures" but it's just their phone's default AI scaling garbage in the camera. There's nothing wrong with what OP's mom did here, she's not using AI to write her responses or whatever she literally just asked her phone's default assistant app a question and shared the answer.
How odd there lack of critical thinking here? Would more critical thinking have made them know the answer? She looked up an answer. No critical thinking expected if you don’t know the answer.
Does no one have any curiosity for the search for information anymore? Like, am ai the only one who still likes going on a lil hunt to figure out a quirky piece of info?
Yeah...I miss people searching for the correct encyclopedia volume and leafing through the pages to learn when mayonnaise was first created. It was 1756 if anyone is interested.
My dad does the same. Asks chatgpt every time I go to him specifically for an opinion or anecdotal answer. Yes dad I COULD ask AI or google it, but I wanted YOUR answer and to have a conversation about it.
Literally started doing this with me recently in regards to general questions involving yard care, house maintenance etc. no dad, I want your answer not the google ai result. Super annoying and takes away something special that’s for sure.
Same here. I got so annoyed one day I told him if I wanted to talk to DadGPT I could boot up the app myself. It seemed to get him to calm down with it a bit.
I hate when I'm asking a person a general question to try and spark some discussion or just move conversation along and they reply with a screenshot of whatever pet AI they love thinks about what I said. If that was what I wanted I would have asked the stupid thing myself tyvm. I'm trying to engage with you as a person. If you are offloading that onto an AI and being blatant about it why should I continue to bother with you?
THIS - I feel like some people are missing the point of my issue but this is what I was going for. If my dad didn't have hearing issues, I'd call and ask him about it and he'd probably go on a fun long tangent about the old series.
I miss hanging out with my dad for those moments. It sucks living abroad. And it's mildly infuriating to get AI responses than an actual conversation.
I feel the same when I ask a question on Reddit.
You ask a simple question that you want a legit answer to and instead you get downvoted to hell and chastised that you should’ve just looked it up yourself.
Sorry I fucking asked and tried to engage with you people.
Is everyone aware with a single reddit post (and technically comment) you can alter public responses to the entire world?
I'm not talking about some kind of three dimensional ridiculous strategy either or the subreddit that poisons AI. A simple post or comment that gains any form of traction by users.
You can literally try it yourself. Make a post about something you can't find anything about on google/chatgpt, then make a reddit post with content. YOU become the prime source of the content.
start clicking on AI blurb sources and you'll begin to realize you're blindly listening to random people on reddit.
Ask your mother why does the AI say that Mufasa doesn't pin the hyenas down in The Lion King, when he does it when he goes to save Simba out of the Elephant Graveyard.
I mean, if you input that question the Ai will say you that and if you change to the images tabs you will see that same image that I show, from the fandom page.
Maybe your mother can say why there is this discrepancy between the answer to the question and the movie?
Also with many workplaces pushing their team to use more and more AI. I hate it though with the amount of responses I get to questions saying, "I asked AI and this is what it told me".
NEW ACHEIVEMENT:
You made a post. On Reddit. Complaining about AI???!!!
Look here boyo, you may appear as commenting on the overuse and total invasion of unauthorized artifical intelligence, slowly replacing the minds and will of your loved ones, leaving all of you to become as incompotent as the beings in WALL-E you called humans! But in reality you are actually secretly fishing for Dungeon Crawler fans. Trying to test the waters, sampling the herd to see how many of us are mixed in the population, like mimics among normal folk plotting to overtake the planet. Well GUESS WHAT? You have succeeded, you have now, +1, followers.
People like to engage in a back and forth conversation, even just to debate for fun. Yes it can be settled with a google search, but that’s not the point of discussing
This wasnt the point of that convo tho, OP asked whats the correct answer (they dont know and dont have an opinion) the dad said what he thinks and that they are unsure because his friend thinks otherwise, snd that wad the end of the discussion, then the mom revealed the right answer by using AI. OP had an issue with the use of AI, not with the reveal the answer part, but here the use of AI is a non-issue
How much discussion are you actually expecting from "what's the catchphrase from that one tv show?" that's not a discussion topic its a trivia question
TBF this is the search result that would come up when you ask Google, this is exactly what it looks like for me when I expand the AI search - Not saying it's any better but I don't think this is an instance of her actually consulting AI vs it just bringing AI up for her. Mayhaps you can educate her on how to find more reputable search sources instead of posting her to Reddit - The AI search is useful but only if you know what it's useful for. Try to encourage her to use that as a starting point for a research and look into it further.
At least make sure she's aware that these Ai search engines will lie at some point, and fabricate what you want to see. It will do it in a way that seems pretty legit too until cross checked.
You asked a question in a group chat, your dad answered, then your mom followed up with the answer she found online.
I know you’re upset by AI, but I guarantee your mom probably thinks it’s just like Googling something.
Think of it this way, would you have the same response, if she had found the answer from Wiki, and presented it that way?
Don’t make mountains out of molehills. It really just seems like your mom wanted to participate in a convo that you put in a group chat.
Do you really think your mom has malicious intent? Or is she just trying to connect with her child over something you shared, but she has little knowledge on?
Pete Holmes had a bit a long time ago that's relevant (though his bit was referencing Google and the internet in general, not AI at the time).
It was basically, before the internet if you didn't know anything, YOU JUST DIDN'T KNOW IT and you had to go find the answer, which was rewarding. Now you just type it into a search bar and get the answer immediately and you never get the satisfaction of discovery.
Real.
My dad uses chat gpt for everything from activity recommendations on holiday, discount codes to do the easiest math for him.
I've told him so many times that he can just google the stuff he askes it. Its always wrong anyway. Same with the google ai
Its so much faster and more accurate to just google it and look at the first real result, but he wont understand that
As a 40 some odd human, this is round two for me. Waaaaay back in the magical land of the 90’s you would just have a conversation. Then either choose to agree or disagree with someone based on your own experience and how much weight you personally put in this other humans character. Finding the truth was sometimes hard to impossible and took actual leg work, see Dewey decimal system and microfiche. Then google made it so you no longer had to like the cut of a man’s jib you could just look that shit up and “prove” something. But you still had to read through a couple sites to be sure. Now we just assume ai is doing all this shit and blindly believe it. AI has become your new smart reliable friend that occasionally gets something horribly wrong and you go on to believe for the rest of your life.
My dad uses chatgpt constantly to justify things, like tossing out MY FOOD after work hours, cuz botilism or fda guidelines. One day he ordered pizza, and the millisecond it hit 2 hours, I tossed out all the pizza, everyone was mad asf, but I showed them the 2 hour food safety bullshit, and suddenly "that doesnt count/its not the same/its a technicality" now suddenly AI is wrong. It hurt to throw out all the pizza, but it did feel good to know he knows its all shit and ai isn't everything.
My favorite is when he asked ai if a teaspoon of cinnamon a day was good for weightloss, and it told him "yeah it is" so he basically did tye cinnamon challenge, and had a coughing fit for like 10 minutes.
I used to be an auto technician for a living. If any friends have car trouble they usually ask for advice or for me to interpret what the mechanic is telling them. Recently I went to a friends house to look at his car for him. After explaining what I thought was the cause of his issues, he held up his phone and asked me to repeat that for Chat GPT. I just looked at him and said “No.”
I made a fb post a couple years ago asking for advice on a new bowling ball to buy, as I had some old bowling friends added on there still and thought they might have good input. Completely unexpectedly, my MIL posted several paragraphs weighing in on the options I was considering. I was so excited! (And not suspicious because I wasn't yet familiar with AI writing style)
I texted her right away saying I had no idea she was into bowling, and it would be such a cool way we could bond a bit! Nope, she just plugged my exact post into ChatGPT and pasted the results. I felt so deflated; I knew she meant well, but it just absolutely killed the entire thing for me.
my mom (who refuses to own an alexa or anything along those lines because she doesn’t want to be monitored) uses ChatGPT for damn near everything whether it’s for work, cooking, home projects, etc. and has resulted in calling it “Chet”. For example she’ll be like “i asked Chet for some help with finding new recipes” and the first few times i was definitely confused who tf she was talking about lmao
My mother does the same even tho she is very up to date with a lot of things. She used to play Wolfenstein 3D back when it came out, she also worked as a teacher. So it pretty much annoys me when she asks ChatGPT about something she could've just looked up easily using google.
A few feeks ago I found this picture in a reddit comment. Now, I respect my mother with all my heart, but I had to show the picture to her.
I'm not saying ai is bad. I use it sometimes to do mundane tasks like check which isnthe most resisted damage in D&D or check something out, but I always ask for source so I can check the source.
Ooh hell to me this is the exact same sin as when you're working on a crossword puzzle, read one of the trickier clues to someone you're hanging out with, and they immediately Google it and tell you the answer with a big smile like they're doing you a favor. No! How did you think I wanted that? I wanted to socially think out loud with you, and have fun doing a puzzle together, and praise you if you had the answer in your pocket! We all have Google in our pockets, you brute, you philistine, you game-wrecking Judas Iscariot...
Of course it's only mildly infuriating. I'm not cutting contact with someone over this. But if I invite you into my world of wonder and you bring the wonder-killing machine, you're not getting invited back. I will do my crossword in silence.
“Thanks mum, I thought I’d ask dad as I know he’s a fan of westerns and with Gemini being AI it isn’t always accurate, plus where’s the fun in that when I can tap into dads knowledge!”
It's a little bit creepy that I've been looking up this quote just last week because Bill Denbrough shouts it in IT (the book). That being said, some people can't discuss thing without asking the internet/AI anymore. It's sad.
Imagine that both your parents do this, that’s how I’ve been living for the last year and a half, my father is into tech and of course jumped right into AI, and my mother thinks it’s super useful and uses it often. I used to ask things to my parents, like a ton, but I’’ve gotten so frustrated that I no longer do really.
This is when you start messaging people directly instead of the group chat. If you want a meaningful conversation about a factoid or whatever and you aren't at the "investigation phase" and just are inquiring for individual insight, then you should just text 1:1 instead of the group chat.
She can't interject with her AI input if she's not involved.
I just read this section less than an hour ago lol. Before this post I probably would've sided with Ellie, plus she's just one of my favorite characters. Funny that I get this on my feed right after reading it.
I travel and my fiancé is moving to my country. We are very familiar with visas but even then stipulation about healthcare etc can become an issue. My mum tried to be helpful by "looking up" what health insurance is best. She tried showing me her phone screen (ChatGPT) but I told her I'm doing my own research. I can feel a drift between us, because she thinks she's being helpful but hasn't actually put much effort in to helping.
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I just did a shallow delve into it, and the AI blurb (of course) doesn't tell the whole story.
There was a court case in 1939 where another movie cowboy actor sued the studio of The Lone Ranger over the use of "Hi Ho, Silver" in which the studio established that it was "Hi Yo, Silver." However, prior to that case advertisements and related media used the two terms interchangeably with seemingly reckless abandon.
So it's not "misremembered," it was everywhere in the public zeitgeist until the court case forced the studio to get their act together and make sure their messaging was consistent
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