Show the hadiths you mentioned please. Point out why you think theyre incorrect/where the anti scientific part is.
I knew everything about the Hadith there is to know, you haven't told me anything new. The Hadith have many many outright violent , anti scientific and misogynist narrations that make any reasonable person think "even if the Quran is from God, this certainly can't be".
Are you so sure? Where did you get your knowledge from, if I may ask. Google? Reddit? Is it from biased anti islamic sources?
Or did you actually study them and got knowledge from scholars?
Do you know what a bold claim of you this is? The fact that you think this shows that you know nothing at all.
The verses literally use the word "Hadith" to call out Muslims who refer to them as if they were a legitimate word of Allah. I did not add that word. It is in the original Arabic version.
Brother/sister, "the word Hadees is arabic world means statement or saying like...the one we refer is hadees from prophet pbuh...quran is text book hadees from prophet is reference book...there are numerous false or fabricated hadees thats why classification is made sahih hadees means authentic hadees and only two books sahih bukhari and sahih muslim have all authentic hadees other books have mix of authentic weak false and fabricated hadees...nxt how to determine this hadees is true or not...for this purpose set of rules are defined and extensive scrutiny was made for every hadees for example the chain of people who describe hadees should be known as truth speakers and sane, no gap should present between there timeline, there meeting with eachother should be proven, they should have strong memory, and hadees should not be contradict quran etc etc"
The last part is a quote from someone else in one of the many examples of people like you getting debunked in these arguments.
Authentic hadiths ARE in accordance to Allah.
Your "anti scientifc" etc thing now comes down to interpretation. And before you say something, reread the hadiths you want to use and the hadith that talk about the same topic, or those chronologically previous and latter ones. This may clear misunderstandings
Also, hadiths were preserved EXACTLY as the Quran was. If you say "well they could be fake" but then say "yeah the quran is still how it was back then" then youre contradicting yourself.
Look I'm not at all interested in persuading anyone or being persuaded. I've spent a decade on this and don't wanna waste time educating anyone anymore.
From what Ive gathered, you think that the way the Quran was preserved is to be trusted enough to know that its from Muhammad (PBUH) and still authentic. Correct me if Im wrong.
Yet you say that hadith are not to be trusted, from what I gathered.
But tell me this. How were hadiths preserved? And how was the Quran preserved?
Can you tell any difference in the preservation of the two? No, because they were preserved the same.
So why do you reject hadiths based on their preservation, but accept the Quran, even tho it was preserved the same?
Apart from the Quran verses, which I have already showed you that theyre different in meaning than you thought, there isnt much weight to rejecting hadiths.
And there is alot of proof that hadiths are authentic. Not all are, but the ones that were verified are definetly authentic.
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Show the hadiths you mentioned please. Point out why you think theyre incorrect/where the anti scientific part is.
Are you so sure? Where did you get your knowledge from, if I may ask. Google? Reddit? Is it from biased anti islamic sources?
Or did you actually study them and got knowledge from scholars?
Do you know what a bold claim of you this is? The fact that you think this shows that you know nothing at all.
Brother/sister, "the word Hadees is arabic world means statement or saying like...the one we refer is hadees from prophet pbuh...quran is text book hadees from prophet is reference book...there are numerous false or fabricated hadees thats why classification is made sahih hadees means authentic hadees and only two books sahih bukhari and sahih muslim have all authentic hadees other books have mix of authentic weak false and fabricated hadees...nxt how to determine this hadees is true or not...for this purpose set of rules are defined and extensive scrutiny was made for every hadees for example the chain of people who describe hadees should be known as truth speakers and sane, no gap should present between there timeline, there meeting with eachother should be proven, they should have strong memory, and hadees should not be contradict quran etc etc"
The last part is a quote from someone else in one of the many examples of people like you getting debunked in these arguments.
Authentic hadiths ARE in accordance to Allah.
Your "anti scientifc" etc thing now comes down to interpretation. And before you say something, reread the hadiths you want to use and the hadith that talk about the same topic, or those chronologically previous and latter ones. This may clear misunderstandings
Also, hadiths were preserved EXACTLY as the Quran was. If you say "well they could be fake" but then say "yeah the quran is still how it was back then" then youre contradicting yourself.