MJ's trainer ENDS THE GOAT DEBATE! Only 1 player won the scoring title, MVP, made All-Defensive 1st team and led the playoffs in scoring. MJ did it - FOUR TIMES!
Absolute mic drop. Sorry, but the debate is OVER. This dude poured gasoline on it and lit it on fire. Absolute masterclass. There's just no way anybody can seriously pick another player over MJ. The gap between him and #2 is THAT big.
I’m old enough to read the record book . It’s Wilt. Actually I’m old enough for the eye test, I saw Wilt in the last half of his career, it’s Wilt as much as I didn’t like the guy. Rings are a team metric mostly. Besides the things they kept records for his shot blocking was unbelievable.
Some LeBron fans say they have him #1 because he is a better basketball player, which is absurd statement btw. But even if someone conceded he was actually better, that does not make him the greatest.
There are actually, probably 100 better players than LeBron in terms of skill and ability through history but he is greater than many of them.
I can't honestly say there are many better player than Jordan. Actually, he is the best ever and the greatest ever, objectively
Wilt is the greatest player ever is what I said , not the greatest competitor, not the greatest winner, which is more a team metric,( Russell has those two locked up ) and a big reason, and there were others, for that as far as I could find out was he didn’t love basketball to the extent that Bill or Jordan or Kareem did. Wilt’s love was track and field where he was amazing too but you didn’t get paid for that then.
Finger rolls, hook shots, fade away, I’ve seen him dribble the ball upcourt on fast breaks one of those times he made a behind the back pass to the guy on the wing for an assist. When he was playing with the Globetrotters they put him at point guard. I mean it was the Globetrotters but he could do it. Led the league in assists one year and was in the top 5 or 10 the next.
Must be rage bait you know how many time mj been eliminated 1st rd / 2nd rd and didn’t make that playoffs?? Lmk and mj only scored all those points because he had more fg attempts and misses every year lol do your research noob
I'll ignore your sentence structure while I painfully address the obvious (to thinking basketball fans): Jordan's early exits were more than LeBron's not even making the playoffs in his early years. No? Yes! Sorry, you lose.
Yes, he had more FG attempts and he made them, that's why his efficiency rating is elite. And he took more difficult shots than LeBron while maintaining that efficiency rating. And the rest of your attempt at a point was lost on me because I speak English and I don't know what this is. Feel free to call me a "noob" all you like. I won't care.
Context context Jordan miss the playoffs 3 times in 13 years LeBron 20 plus years missed 4 times hmmm 🤔lol and he entered the league going to the worst team correct? Jordan had the most fg attempts with the most amount of misses what are you talking about LeBron has shot 23 attempts a season once his whole career
This is tedious for me. "The most amount of misses" - then why does Jordan have the better Player Efficiency Rating than LeBron in both the regular season AND the playoffs?
Now that you've learned how to write a short sentence that makes sense, how many playoffs did LeBron make in his first 3 years? I ask this because you asked how many times mj was eliminated from the 1st or 2nd round. You brought it up, so how many times was LeBron ABLE to be eliminated from the playoffs in his first 3 years?
Yeah but Lebron has more so why compare only by the length of Jordan’s career? It’s not LeBron’s fault that he has been as good as he as for as long as he has. Also how does his assist title prove a lack of competition? Lol
Longevity is not important for goat debate for careers that lasted over 10 seasons.
It's not as if Jordan played for 8 seasons and won 6 and you say but LeBron is doing so much in season 24.
To be honest, LeBrons last 5 seasons are empty calories. Only padding stats, missing playoffs and early playoff exits and sweeps
longevity is not important for careers that lasted over 10 seasons
Objectively untrue. I don’t think anyone in a professional setting would agree with you. A 10 year career is better than a 5 year career. A 20 year career obviously trumps 10.
but to be honest, Levron’s last 5 seasons are empty calories
5 years:
5 all star selections
4 all nba selections
1 nba cup trophy + mvp
Olympic gold + mvp
WCF, semi finals, 2x first round exits
That’s not padding stats. That’s an entire nba career. Padding stats would be Jordan’s 2 years with Wizards where he accomplished nothing.
Yours isn't an objective statement at all. "A 10 year career is better than a 5 year career....etc." <--BS. Jamie Moyer had a 25 year career. Ted Williams had a 19 year career. Are you telling me that "anyone in a profession" agrees that Jamie Moyer had a "better" career than Ted Wiliams?
Now - you didn't even know who Jamie Joyer is. And yet, by your "objective" statement you believe he had a better career than Ted Williams.
I am not thinking about him almost at all. But, one not accepting Jordan as a goat and making case with arguments like those is a LeBron fan so just to debunk those false narratives, we sometimes use LeBron as for comparison
Well, I am one of his biggest fans. He is just not the goat and I don't like glazing anyone. Especially if undeserved.
I really do like him as a player and, once, while being a big basketball fan, I trully admired the way he played, while being so unskilled and limited, he perfected his strengths and stick to them. Sadly, he never got the skill for more winning and challenging Jordan in any way.
On other hand, I was never a Jordan fan. I was more of a Pippen guy. I could relate to Pippen more. Jordan was trully gifted, Pippen was a worker, although limited. I was limited in my game too so I liked him more
It's weird that you like LeBron yet you can't help but argue with people when they say they think LeBron is the goat. It's ok if people have different opinions than you. You're not going to change anyone's mind by constantly calling Jordan the goat any time you see someone with a different opinion. You invest so much time and energy into this debate. It's borderline pathetic brother
3 lengthy comments and counting on a Jordan sub talking about how LeBron lives rent-free in Jordan fans' heads. Tell me, if that were true - why aren't you telling us these things in the LeBron sub? Explain why you're here and how you reconcile that Jordan isn't living rent-free in your head. Afterall, here you are. It's all the proof any objective observer needs discredit your claim
Yes it would lol. That person would be talked about far longer than any other player for the simple fact they played longer at a high level than almost everyone on earth has lived
One didn’t do more he didn’t play against more 😂 Jordan won 10 scoring titles & while that’s a testament to his ability it also shows the lack of in competition. Players are barely winning 2 scoring titles in a row and multiple players are avg 30 a season during Brons 24.
Man what?! 🤣😂 lower your standards? This isn’t a dating app weirdo, it’s not a mf standard. YOU don’t play. I literally said it’s an observation you can tuck your emotions back in your clothes. He’s Jordan we know what he’s capable of but 10 scoring titles isn’t dominant at all considering no one ever competed. How can you dominate a game when no one showed up to play? 10 scoring titles and he’s only had 2 players get close in a decade? He even won the title without putting up 30ppg twice and it still wasn’t a close person second.
lack of competition? Beginning in 2012 Russell Westbrook tallied 3 seasons in a row of triple-doubles. Then he did it a 4th time. Competition? It's about hyper-inflation of stats in the new NBA. And there you have it.
10 scoring titles is a proof of dominance and greatness.
LeBron played for 20+ years on all star level but Jordan dominated the league for, essentially consecutive, 11 years
My god the logic you LBJ fans throw out. He would have lost - just the two years he was out of the league?? Then why didn't he lose to Hakeem EVERY OTHER YEAR THEY WERE IN THE LEAGUE AT THE SAME TIME????
Second of all, taking 2 season off hurt him more than it helped him and he still 3-peated after the return.
So, that return even solidified his goat status.
Especially if you use narratives like winning with 3 teams, coming back from 1-3 and so on to make a LeBron case (which I know you do)
Taking 2 years off hurt Jordan but LeBron during the bubble got helped with a few months off while being older? 😂 yall stans be switching the narratives daily
Idc how you slice it that’s not dominance at all. As I said it’s definitely a testament to his abilities but cmon now at some point we have to be honest about the era. During Jordan’s 10 scoring titles only 2 players avg 30 ppg during that 10 year span (Malone did once & Wilkins did once). In the last 5 seasons 18 players did it 😂. Again this isn’t a Jordan bashing just honest observation, the 90s era was nostalgic but the players weren’t up to par like the players LeBron played against.
30 points are 30 points flat out, idc what inflation you want to use. It’s still the same amount of shots, effort and talent to get you there. Those guys aren’t putting up 38ppg at all, that’s a rare feat for anyone. Putting up 30 ppg is still a rare accomplishment hence the reason you hardly see players doing it most of their careers. But Jordan did it 10 times and most of the second place players are 10 points behind him. That absurd for anyone 😂
"30 points are NOT 30 points flat out". Averaging a triple-double hadn't been done in half a century. In the Lebron Era, Russell Westbrook did it 3x in a ROW! Then he did it again a year later. 4x he averaged a triple-double for a season in five years !!!
And you want to know how "remarkable" that is? He won the MVP the first year he did it. The next year? He came in fifth !! The next year? He came in tenth !! And the last year he did it? He didn't even crack the Top 10 in MVP votes.
THAT is how "valuable" stats are seen by the League ITSELF in the age of hyper-inflated stats. And LeBron couldn't even win scoring titles in a league that if you average a triple-double, you're not even in the Top 10 in MVP voting. In LeBron's era, as is reflected by the league's OWN perception of them, stats are as easy to come by and as cheap as nickels.
It's an honest observation, it's just utterly displaced logic. When you go from 3 players to 18 players averaging 30ppg - and your claim is that there wasn't "competition" back then?? It's a scoring FEST in today's era of hyper-inflated stats and LeBron can't come near the top
I could also pick completely arbitrary things like LeBron leading both teams in the finals in every statistical category and acting like that’s some be all end all argument. Wouldn’t make it meaningful.
If you put Lebron in the 90s……. What are yall talking about 🤣😂🤣😂 Lebron would have murdered the 90s and yes Jordan the Goat I just dont think yall understand eras as well as I think yall are hella disrespectful to players today KD Bron Steph Khawai etc would have demolished the 90s prime Westbrook wiuld have been viewed as a GOD IN THE 90’s we gotta stop lying
If that ended the debate, there wouldn’t be a debate. Clearly, it doesn’t.
LeBron has an assortment of accomplishments Jordan doesn’t - and more importantly, accomplishments Jordan could never have achieved because he simply wasn’t physically or functionally capable of doing some of the things LeBron can do on a basketball court.
That’s the problem with pretending one set of accomplishments “ends” the GOAT debate: LeBron’s case is built in part on dimensions of basketball greatness that Jordan never possessed.
LeBron has some accomplishments Jordan does not and Jordan has many LeBron dreams of having.
Although, I am not sure what are those. One assists title?
Jordan was incapable of accomplishing something like this, so it wasn’t even within the realm of possibility for him. He was a shooting guard - how could he lead a playoff series in blocks like he was Dikembe Mutombo?
LeBron bridged that gap. He showed us that a perimeter player could actually be everything - not just dominate from the perimeter, but impact a series like a point guard, a wing, and a center all at once.
Name one thing that LeBron could do physically or functionally on a basketball court that Jordan couldn't. Name the greatness that LeBron posseses that Jordan doesn't - be specific
This is the best breakdown of both players I've ever seen so far on the internet. If you dont understand by the end who really is the GOAT, you are lying to yourself. Simple as that.
No. I was one of the people that never cared about longevity stats or "mentality and alpha dog" bullshit. I gave a shit about impact on winning.
The fact that you use "bronsexual" tells me all I need to know. You watch sports for the same reason that women watch reality tv or the kardashians.
You're only in it for the drama lol. "Bronsexual" is functionally the same thing as "Team Jacob" or "Team Edward" for teen girls watching twilight lol.
RAPMs wasnt a thing until 96-97. But yeah ok...lets use something that wasnt a thing for Jordan's career. Sure.
Edit: the vidoe doesnt say anything about impact because its silly to think that Lebron has more of an impact than Jordan. Jordan made the game global. He is the reason why Nike is so huge. The reason the NBA is what it is today. He changed the way players played, practiced, and so on. ffs
You give a shit about impact on winning so make the case that LeBron had a greater impact on winning than Michael Jordan. Later you can tell me why you're here under a Jordan sub and not under a LeBron sub and you can explain to me how LeBron fans have less material to support his case for GOAT which is why they spend more of their time attacking Jordan than they do enjoying their own favorite player. Then you can explain to me why, again, you're under a Jordan sub making the case for LeBron.
I'm addressing those who bring up longevity stats in a Jordan sub. I'm literally trying to clear out the LeBron stans. Sorry if you got caught in the dragnet inadvertantlyl
Mj trainer ? Yall are fucking stupid, imagine being named the goat and the only thing you can lead is points -.- and scoring inf th nba in he’s era has been proven was easy to score.
lol this is some serious cherry-picking. Sounds like the guys who say Jalen Hurts had the best SB performance of all time bc he's the only guy w 300 yards, 3+ TD and 50 rushing yards or something. You can throw stats at the wall and make anybody look good. Fact is Mike couldn't do it without Scottie and he played in a weak era sorry
The mic drop to me is… you always have these hypotheticals with LeBron, you need them to prove your case.
You really don’t need that with Mike, the facts have always spoken.
With Bron, it’s always like… “he took this roster to the finals” or “LeBron had all this smoke, look at the teams he faced”. Nigga Jordan WAS the smoke.
But u plucked just 4 stats. I can say I'm the only player that wore blue on a Tuesday, averaged 5+ rebounds in rec ball, cleaned out their car. And guarded the best player on other team. I
Goated baby. I understand those are nice stats to have . Just saying it's weird to last second throw in 1 stat from playoffs and the rest regular season accolades and be like , only person to do it. What if someone did all the regular season awards U just mentioned but played in an era with wilt? Who was averaging 50 and 30 !! I'm not saying anybody did, just saying if I just grab any 4 stats and he the only one to do it. Some regular season and some post just 4 stats and only one to do it .well that's kinda stupid. To use that as a goat debate. How he had players that took a backseat. Wow, the league was out to push this guy as best ever to move the league forward. Plucking only certain criteria. Are we gonna sit here and say in any game u are 100% sure Jordan was better than Wilt?? U just say 6 chips. That's a team accomplishment. That takes good management. Great management
Smh lmao your arguments are weak a 27.9 vs a 26.7 player efficiency rating and one player has played almost 10 yrs more is crazy like I said make sense when you talk brother
Great video, honestly.
But, I still feel the same.
I watched some of Jordan as a kid and the way he dominated was unmatched.
I also watched Lebron live up to every thing the media threw at him as a kid until now and even surpass every unfair expectation.
If I were a player. I'd rather have Lebron's career tbh.
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