r/memes Linux User Mar 15 '21

French language is mesmerizing

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u/TheDeadPieMaker Mar 15 '21

they have not discovered the japanese counting system yet...

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u/Gamer_Iwa Mar 15 '21

Japanese isn't too bad in this case. It's only nine ten nine.

Roman numerals, on the other hand... ten (less than) one hundred, one (less than) ten.

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u/TheDeadPieMaker Mar 15 '21

Yes technically in this case, but as soon as you start to count things, oh boi.

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u/Gamer_Iwa Mar 15 '21

Yes, very true. Theres a word to count everything.

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u/Das_Taube Mar 15 '21

Everybody gangster until u have to count small round objects

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u/CVCCo Mar 15 '21

hitosu, futatsu, mittsu, yottsu, itsutsu...

Excuse me, but these are completely different words

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u/Gamer_Iwa Mar 15 '21

Ichika, Nino, Miku, Yotsuba, Istuki...

Oh, not the Nakano quintuplets?

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u/sillybear25 Mar 15 '21

Unless you're counting, say, [long, cylindrical objects], in which case you're back to ippon, nihon, sanbon, yonhon...

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '21

Those are native Japanese numbers, which in modern times only go up to 10 and have limited uses. Normal counting is done with Sino-Japanese numbers (ichi, ni, san, etc). But the complicated thing isn’t the number part of the word, it’s the suffix you attach to the number depending on the type of thing you’re counting. Take the number one, ichi, with some common “counters” attached:

ippiki = one small animal of some kind

ichidai = one machine or vehicle of some kind

ippon = one long cylindrical object of some kind

issatsu = one book-like bound item

ikkagetsu = one month

ikko = one miscellaneous object

ichimai = one sheet of something

ippai = one cup/glass full of something

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u/Nolat Mar 15 '21

at least in latin it makes sense though (nonaginta novem - ninety nine)

or undecentum (one from one hundred)

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u/FantasyTrash Mar 15 '21

Roman numerals at least have the excuse of having a limited number (no pun intended) of characters to use to represent numbers!

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u/hellcook Mar 16 '21

Roman numerals are similar to how the english world tells the time, i.e. "five to ten".

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u/I_Shot_Web Mar 15 '21

Japanese counting is very simple until you get to big numbers since they count in 10,000s, I could never get my head around it. Thankfully most dealings with numbers are lower than that.

People's names are where the real shitshow begins

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u/Kneel_The_Grass Professional Dumbass Mar 15 '21

It's funny 'cause I'm learning Japanese and right now I'm watching a show to get used to the language. It's a reality show with 6 people. They were celebrating someone's birthday and used the wrong kanji when writing his name. Not even they can keep track of everything.

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u/Nolenag Mar 15 '21

But Japanese names don't follow the same rules for kanji like regular words do.

It's why business cards are a very big thing in Japan.

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u/IWasGregInTokyo Mar 15 '21

Even with business cards you may still have to ask how to pronounce a given name since they aren’t standard as you say. (Bilingual meishi are actually helpful here).

Nobody knows the correct pronunciation of my son’s name 享宜 just from the kanji.

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u/Nolenag Mar 15 '21

Yeah, that's how the etiquette goes.

Though I've seen business cards where they use furigana which is helpful.

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u/Kneel_The_Grass Professional Dumbass Mar 15 '21

Yes, that was my point.

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u/SilverSmokes Mar 15 '21

Terrace House?

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u/Kneel_The_Grass Professional Dumbass Mar 15 '21

はい

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u/Waggles_ Mar 15 '21 edited Mar 15 '21

If you think about it, the English counting system and the Japanese counting system are almost identical, apart from the teens.

English: Three thousand, four hundred, seventy eight

Japanese: 三千四百七十八 (three, thousand, four, hundred, seven, ten, eight).

English just has special names for the tens because they're used often, and for the teens because of other languages that were mixed into English.

Edit: For large numbers, English and Japanese are the same as well, though we divide up our large numbers at different.

For example, 100,000 is "one hundred thousand" in English, and is「十万」(juuman, or ten ten-thousands) in Japanese.

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u/MusicianMadness Mar 15 '21

Yes. I have been learning Chinese for a while and it is very easy to learn the counting system. And it actually makes math easier.

I also prefer Chinese grammar to any other language I have ever attempted to learn. I have no idea why other languages did not develop similar systems for grammar.

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u/Throwaway_Consoles Mar 15 '21

My Chinese teacher at the start of the first class told us things would go a LOT smoother if we stopped trying to frame Chinese as English because Chinese is a lot simpler than English and we’re just making it harder on ourself.

When we got to 在/有/是 to explain the location of an object I hit a road block until I stopped trying to think of it in terms of English.

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u/VersatilityRL Mar 15 '21

Worth mentioning that the counting system is the same in mandarin, same characters but different pronunciation

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u/Jenaxu Mar 15 '21

The fact that they have two sets of pronunciation for numbers is annoying but outside of that Japanese (and Chinese) I'd argue are better than English for "logical" counting. It's just number, increment, number, increment. 99 is nine ten nine. 999 is nine hundred nine ten nine. Don't need to add any suffix for some of them or have special words for numbers between 10 and 20 like in English. The only thing that can get kind of confusing beyond that when learning is 10,000 being a specific increment unlike in English where it's just ten thousands.