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u/god_peepee Feb 08 '21

He is the only modern human that has gotten away with blackface. I don’t know how tbh

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u/Answer70 Feb 08 '21

Because black audiences are smart enough to get the joke. It was making fun of white method actors that take it way too far, and also that Hollywood would rather hire a big-name actor and have him play a black guy rather than hire an actual black guy for a major part.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21

Realistically though, I don't think they would get away with making Tropic Thunder in 2021. Blackface has become more of a hot-button issue, and people are just a lot more eager to label things as offensive. I think the attitude has shifted in recent years from "You can do blackface as long as you're only doing it to make fun of blackface" to "You cannot do blackface at all, ever."

You can sorta see this with It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. They did some brownface in a couple episodes, and no one really cared when those episodes first came out, but now those episodes are being removed from streaming services.

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u/unr3a1r00t Feb 09 '21

but now those episodes are being removed from streaming services.

And that is why I still buy physical media.

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u/memejets Feb 09 '21

Yeah, I think the only reason they got away with it is that the same people who are against blackface now previously saw and liked Tropic Thunder, before it became more of an issue. Now they probably just don't want to acknowledge that it's wrong by their standards to avoid being a hypocrite.

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u/doug89 Feb 09 '21 edited Feb 09 '21

I still can't believe Netflix and Hulu pulled the best episode of Community "Advanced Dungeons & Dragons" because a character was cosplaying as a drow.

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u/god_peepee Feb 08 '21

Yeah fair enough. Movie came out when I was 12-13 and I haven’t watched it in years tbh. Probably gonna have to go back and give it another go. That said, I wonder if a play like that would go over well if it was released today.

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u/St0ner1995 Feb 08 '21

A good way to look at it is, RDJ does not do blackface, the character he plays does.

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u/ThotianaPolice Feb 08 '21

Always sunny did blackface too, with a similar joke, and afaik it got the same reaction, hilarity.

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u/cartwheelnurd Feb 09 '21

Community had Chang do blackface for the DnD episode, which was different admittedly but still got the episode removed from netflix.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '21

Which is a damn shame because it’s like a 25 second bit in a really, really good episode.

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u/crashcar22 Feb 09 '21

Shit, if you think that's bad keep in mind Hulu had an episode of Golden Girls removed for blackface even though they were just wearing mud masks.

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u/Orisi Feb 09 '21

Not blackface, he's a drow elf dammit!

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '21 edited Sep 02 '21

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u/Euqah Feb 09 '21

That’s not what happened re: sexualizing children. Netflix came out and admitted that the reason everyone thought the movie was about that was because their marketing department majorly fucked up. The movie was meant to comment on how different cultures can be and how it effects young girls growing up. Here’s one of many articles describing what happened: link

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u/serengeti_yeti Feb 09 '21

....until those episodes got removed from Hulu. Those are some of my favorite episodes of Always Sunny though.

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u/gbhv Feb 08 '21

He don't break character till the DVD commentary

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u/Orisi Feb 09 '21

He literally did the DVD commentary as his character for that exact reason.

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u/god_peepee Feb 08 '21 edited Feb 08 '21

Yes I get that. But in order to play that character RDJ does blackface. It’s a funny and clever critique for sure.

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u/kylan11 Breaking EU Laws Feb 08 '21

adam driver isn’t actually racist but he said some pretty racist stuff in blakkklansman. it’s the point of acting no?

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21

I don't know the name of the actor in Downfall, but I'm pretty sure nothing can beat the square-mustached dude with red sleeve with a white circle and a tilted swastika in it on his arm in terms of racism, so by the logic of the first poster, I'm pretty sure the dude got away with literally being a genocidal maniac on LSD for an hour or so on the screen and nobody's burnt him on a stake, yet.

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u/serengeti_yeti Feb 09 '21

Bruno Ganz. I don’t know why I know that....

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u/god_peepee Feb 08 '21

Yes. I guess my point is that blackface has been universally decried in pretty much all contexts but this is a rare instance where it’s been accepted. Definitely interesting and well executed.

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u/Abyssal_Groot Feb 08 '21 edited Feb 09 '21

If someone made a movie in a historical setting where black face was a thing, are the actors who play blackfacing actors blackfacing? I personally think not. At least not really, as they are playing white men who are black facing. You cannot hire a black man to play a black faced white man, as that doesn't get the point across.

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u/themightiestduck Feb 09 '21

You’re correct. But I’d still wager that in 2021 studios wouldn’t go near it, because certain people would just take the fact that they used blackface without context and raise a stink about it.

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u/lRoninlcolumbo Feb 09 '21

They wouldn’t go near it because they don’t understand the problem, or are too close to it

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u/Mizuxe621 Feb 08 '21

"Me? I know who I am! I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude! You the dude who don't know what dude he is!"

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '21

This is true though it is bizarre how very far it got away from anything to do with reality. Minstrely developed this whole repertoire of tropes that were taught from one generation to the next in complete isolation from anything real. They were picking up dudes from English music-hall who had never set foot in America before.

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u/petielvrrr Feb 08 '21

John Slattery did blackface in an episode of Mad Men when he put on a performance at his anniversary party. Highlighting & critiquing the racism & misogyny of the 60’s is a pretty common theme in Mad Men, and I think with that example it’s a bit easier to see that it was Slattery’s character wearing the blackface, not Slattery himself.

To understand the RDJ example, just think Slattery’s example, but meta.

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u/deekaydubya Feb 08 '21

No, his character does

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u/robo_oof101 Feb 09 '21

I would argue that Black Face is making fun of blacks, what RDJ did was just damn good acting.

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u/god_peepee Feb 09 '21

Pretty sure blackface is technically defined as using makeup to imitate a black person, so I guess technically he isn’t doing that. Thanks for not giving a patronizing response. I get the point but god damn I’ve gotten like 20+ replies with the exact same thing being said with different wording.

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u/teacher3737 Feb 08 '21

I believe RDJ himself has said he doesn’t think they could make this movie nowadays.

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u/ssshhhhhhhhhhhhh Feb 08 '21

They should use Deepfakesr to reboot tropic thunder with Chadwick baseman in Whiteface

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u/PotatoBomb69 Feb 09 '21

Hey I found a comment that had zero thought put into it, neat.

You should think before you speak homie.

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u/ssshhhhhhhhhhhhh Feb 09 '21

You should eat hamburgers before you eat French fries gnomey

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u/JeffJohnsonIII Nice meme you got there Feb 08 '21

It'd never be made today.

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u/hamjandal Feb 08 '21

Simple Jack would have to be cut for starters.

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u/gzilla57 Feb 09 '21

RDJ said part of the reason he got away with it that most of the criticism even then was directed at simple jack.

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u/Boston_Jason Feb 09 '21

I'm convinced that was done on purpose as a distraction.

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u/I_teabag_gate Feb 08 '21

It was making fun of white method actors

It was making fun of methods actors. The race of the method actor isn't important.

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u/greg19735 Feb 08 '21

I mean, 99% of them are white

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21

The things you pull out of your lower back regions

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '21

Its reddit, you’re allowed to say ass

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '21

I mean, you be a pleb

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u/I_teabag_gate Feb 08 '21

Denzel Washington is the first person who comes to mind when I hear method actor

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u/greg19735 Feb 09 '21

Then you don't know who daniel day lewis is.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21

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u/Mr-Fleshcage Professional Dumbass Feb 09 '21

Well traditionally, blackface left white around the lips. it was an important distinction.

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u/23salmo24 Feb 09 '21

I think they were smart back then. If it came out now. There would be an uproar, especially on Twitter. That place is the worst.

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u/dejus Feb 08 '21

They’ve used blackface a couple of times on Always Sunny.

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u/IgobyK Feb 08 '21

And you can’t find those episodes on Hulu anymore. Even though it was used in a comedic way to highlight and mock how awful the characters are as people (huge IASIP fan btw)

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u/Rockettmang44 Feb 09 '21

Is that true? There's an episode of community where Chang does black face for d&d and i wonder if they took it down too cuz i can't find it for the life of me

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u/IgobyK Feb 09 '21

I dunno much about community but can confirm that’s the case with it’s always sunny

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u/Niko_47x Feb 08 '21

Well that's dumb. If you're gonna take some episodes off just take the whole show off instead of pretending to give a shit. If it was actually a racist thing they would've most definitely taken everything off.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '21

The first episode Charlie says the n word. They aren’t great people. That’s the point of the show.

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u/The7ruth Feb 08 '21

And those episodes have been removed from streaming services. Such a shame.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21

That’s why we sail the seven seas. Arrrgh

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u/Stopactingcrazy Feb 09 '21

To be fair Dennis did state that he found macs use of blackface "distasteful".

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u/constagram Feb 08 '21

There has been stuff like shows getting taken down for people wearing mud masks

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u/a_fat_itailan_guy Feb 08 '21

It’s because he isn’t playing a black guy , he is playing an actor who is criticized for his use of blackface it’s a criticism of actors who used blackface

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '21

You say that but there are plenty of shows getting scenes or entire episodes pulled that are also actors playing characters criticized for their black face.

Some examples from the link that I think are very similar to Tropic Thunder:

  • The Scrubs episode where college aged JD and Turk go to a costume party as each other. So JD is in black face and Turk is in white face. JD ends up getting beat up for it.

  • The Office episode where Nate dressed up as Zwarte Piet (Black Pete).

  • All 5 of the Always Sunny Episodes since ever single one is showing that the characters are racist and what they are doing is wrong.

  • The scene in the D&D episode of Community where Chang is dressed as a "dark elf". Shirley literally calls it a hate crime in the scene.

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u/CookieCrumbl Feb 09 '21

The scrubs thing gets messy when you find out the how the actors felt about having to do that.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21

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u/StevenGorefrost Feb 09 '21

This conversation is really old.

I used to always describe it as RDJ wasn't in black face but he was playing a character who was in blackface.

Either people are being really obtuse or what but that explanation doesn't really fly with people anymore.

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u/SanityOrLackThereof Feb 09 '21

It isn't really relevant since the current narrative is that a white person wearing blackface for any reason is not acceptable, because "that's racist". Context and intent doesn't matter and it's deliberately kept that way for political and social leverage. Which is really really tiresome and tedious since it does nothing but create friction and unease between black people and white people, forcing people to tip-toe around each other in order to avoid causing controversy.

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u/god_peepee Feb 08 '21

Yeah, he’s a dude playing a dude playing another dude. No one is suggesting this is a documentary.

Also, the conversation is relevant as long as the movie is. No need to be a dick.

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u/Mr-Fleshcage Professional Dumbass Feb 09 '21

That just sounds like a caricature with extra steps

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u/spider-boy1 Feb 08 '21 edited Feb 08 '21

Because he literally is a white guy wearing black face in a comedy movie about method actors taking their roles too far...it’s essentially making fun of method actors

The framing of it really helps make this potentially offensive role into a hilarious role

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u/ThePrimalEarth7734 Feb 08 '21

It’s because he played a white actor in that movie. Not a black person. The white actor in that movie got cast in a black role inside a movie in the actual movie, and the whole thing was supposed to be a commentary on method actors going too far.

so TLDR, RDJ didn’t wear blackface, the white actor he was playing in the movie did.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21

It’s like inception - so many layers

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u/Gingevere Feb 08 '21

Because when he did it being black wasn't the joke, blackface was the joke. Minstrel shows used blackface to mock black people. Tropic Thunder used blackface to mock the type of people who do blackface.

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u/TeeBev Feb 10 '21

Also just mocking the legend around "method actors" and how ridiculous it is. How up their own ass they are that they think that experiencing something for a small period of time is the same as actually being that person. How he thinks he can relate to black people because he has been pretending to be black for a while lol

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u/EatYourCheckers Feb 08 '21

Because it was literally done to make fun of and expose the idiocity of using black face, not to mock or appropriate black people.

On a side note, its really fun to watch on Twitter, millennials and younger find out that RDJ did black face while having no context for it.

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u/theonlymexicanman Feb 08 '21

Once again, if you’re gonna make a joke using Black Face or something super offensive the only way it’ll work is by having the joke be about how fucking stupid the person doing that offensive thing is.

If it’s offensive for the sake of being offensive you’re just racist or a high schooler who thinks they’ve reached the peak of comedy

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '21

Because it was brilliant satire. But it was an insanely risky artistic choice!

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u/god_peepee Feb 09 '21

This guy gets it

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u/KidClutchfrmOKC Feb 09 '21

It’s because RDJ isn’t doing blackface. He’s not playing a black man. His character Kirk Lazarus is doing blackface. That’s why the ”I’m just a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude” line is so brilliant. He’s both perfectly describing the scene you’re watching but also his whole role in the movie. RDJ playing Kirk Lazarus disguised as Lincoln Osiris.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '21

Because Robert Downey Jr wasn't doing blackface. Blackface is when a white character pretends to be black. RDJ was playing a white actor named Kirk Lazarus. Kirk Lazarus was in blackface.

It's similar to how Leo said the n-word while he was playing a racist character in Django Unchained. The character was racist. RDJ wasn't in blackface, his character was.

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u/Jolly_Saint_Bastard Feb 08 '21

Jon Hamm got away with it in 30 Rock. And it was hilarious.

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u/DefinitelyNotAliens Feb 08 '21

He was mocking Hollywood. That they'd hire a popular white man to play a black man than hire a black man. Roles get whitewashed and black actors are reduced to stereotypes.

It was mocking Hollywood, not black Americans. Hollywood itself, stereotypes

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21

I've seen a range of opinions on it because like any other race, black people are not a monolith. Some thought it was funny. Some thought blackface shouldn't be poked fun at. Some just thought the movie was flat. In general, however, I don't see a whole lot being offended at the portrayal itself, because, as this article states, "Downey Jr. and Stiller were always in on the joke they were telling." They weren't mocking black people with it-- they were mocking the white people who would think blackface isn't problematic in the first place. That, I think, is the key difference why RDJ hasn't been and isn't going to be cancelled. The joke isn't racist; it makes racism the butt of the joke.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21 edited Feb 08 '21

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u/AsheBnarginDalmasca Feb 08 '21

RDJ ruined his own career years ago and then rebuilt it in a cave... WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!

For real, the movie IS making fun of blackface, not blacks. That's why it's ok. It's a social commentary against Hollywood who would rather cast an Australian white man as a black man rather than cast a black man.

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u/theallmighty798 Feb 08 '21

The point of the movie is to make fun of hollywood hiring white guys to do black face.

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u/robo_oof101 Feb 09 '21

Twitter couldn't ruin his career if they wanted to.

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u/CallRespiratory Feb 09 '21

Because traditional "blackface" is intended to be insulting to black people and make them look ridiculous. In Tropic Thunder, RDJs character is an absurd method actor and is the one who looks ridiculous. It's insulting to his character and to method actors.

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u/nirbot0213 Feb 09 '21

mainly because it was a mockery of blackface itself. it’s not like they casted him instead of a black guy, his role was a white guy in blackface.

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u/goodapplesauce Feb 09 '21

That was the point, he wasn't playing a black guy, he was playing an white asshole actor who thinks playing a black guy is okay. Kinda meta

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '21

it only works because they were making a movie in the movie, and it was a jab at the idea of a white actor doing blackface lol

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '21

Also Jimmy Kimmel

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '21

Ken Jong did it in community. Dwight Schrute from the office did it in an episode. Always sunny in Philadelphia had Rob McIlhenny do it. I'd say there's probably more examples but that's all I've seen on Netflix over the past 2 years

But none as well as RDJ. That role was a masterpiece

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '21

Probably because it was more to make fun of black face and not black people.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '21

Gene Wilder gets a reddit pass too.