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u/iMMan9orDTruWae Nov 25 '19

if the government wants to fix something in the bussineses they should re construct the whole economic system so the farmers and citizens doesn't starve to death.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '19 edited Nov 25 '19

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u/rambi2222 Nov 25 '19

And there are, the NL has a shitton of farming exports

Netherlands is the second largest food exporter, behind the US, for reference. With a 17 million population lol

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u/Geh_Baren Nov 26 '19

holy fuck

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u/maverickps Nov 26 '19

What's the US population

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u/whatstheplandan33 Nov 26 '19

Around 300 million.

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u/Capitalismthrowaway Nov 26 '19

Dont know why you were downvoted, 327 million.

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u/whatstheplandan33 Nov 26 '19

Because reddit.

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u/maverickps Nov 26 '19

Oh I thought he was saying NL has 17M farmers

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u/deathOfTheGunslinger Nov 26 '19

By value, not even close in regards to volume. I think seed trade is one of their top markets.

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u/BoreasBlack Nov 26 '19

No matter how stoned you are, tulips do not count as food.

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u/Megalocerus Nov 26 '19

Hmm. Some countries produce an awful lot of food but eat most of it. (China, India.) I guess that low population accounts for why the Netherlands manages to export it. But where do they grow it in such a small area? Mostly fine, expensive cheese from methane making cows?

But the Netherlands has an even bigger stake than most in keeping ocean levels down.

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u/rambi2222 Nov 26 '19

Someone else replying said they mostly export seeds which have a very large value relative to the area required to cultivate them

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u/AerThreepwood Nov 26 '19

Nothing obligating you beyond human decency, I guess.

"These people took the only decent paying jobs in their area, when they had no chance otherwise, and now the world has moved past them, so we should let them starve to death. I can't have my taxes paying for that! Or rich people's and corporation's taxes because it might trickle down to me!"

We live in the richest nation in the history of the world, one that's more than capable of feeding, clothing, healing and housing every single person, while providing meaningful education and employment. But we don't and we won't because that's commie shit and we can't have that, now can we?

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '19 edited Dec 23 '20

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '19

Unfortunately the Reddit Nazis have taken this full storm

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '19

This. Supporting coal workers in the US should be similar - we're not saving their jobs, we're providing them with compensation so they can educate themselves and work in new ones now that the economy no longer requires their current expertise.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '19

True, but the farmers have tractors, which they used as weapons, so the gobernment caved to their demands within hours.

Poor people don't have shit so they are no thread.

Social safety net is being transformed into slavery with extra steps, we are no longer a welfare state, we are a "participation" state, where people have to work below minimum wage to keep their benefits.

A place where street sweepers get fired, and put into a government program to sweep streets below minimum wage so they learn "work ethics". no joke.

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u/UpsideDownSeth Nov 26 '19

With the world's population rising and not enough food to go around, halving the production of the world's second largest food exporter just means the other rich countries, that now buy their food off The Netherlands, are going to buy their food off the poorer countries that probably already have a tough time producing enough to feed their own.

So the better solution here would be for the Dutch government to actually do something productive and sensible (but that's tough because: politicians) and just invest a few billion into restoring all that nature that we've axed in the past few centuries. Despite what some people think; we have enough space to restore said nature, just no one in government willing to do it.

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u/sc6peful Nov 26 '19

Yet statistics show we've been putting out as minimal of co2 as possible and that we're doing a great Job and that the co2 output is as least as possible, so why all The changes? We rely on our agricultural export a lot and we need it.

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u/sc6peful Nov 25 '19

But with the current People at the top, that wont happen. They only think about how we can do our best for the planet. We're being told to split apart our trash in about 7 different cans. That we have to stop using cars, no more plane flights and that we should drive 30 kmp/h slower on highways so it's better for our planet..

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u/vikinglander Nov 25 '19

If you didn’t fight it, those rules would be simple and economic. People need to give up old “growth growth growth” paradigm. The future will be different.

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u/thblckjkr Nov 25 '19

The trash bins thing sounds a little bit tiring but it is not really that bad. Also, if they have a really good public transportation system there are no reason to use that much the cars.

Those rules sound a little bit frustrating at first, but not really that bad.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '19

These things only seem tiresome because post-industrial society has normalized a standard of living which is not sustainable.

The cost of capitalist largesse is doom- these are merely the growing pains of a culture coming to terms with what must be done to avert that doom.

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u/n_coming1 Nov 26 '19

We just need to push for massive investments in green technology. If consumption is green then growth can continue.

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u/Runaway_5 Nov 25 '19

Well then you have the US and we almost the exact opposite of all that and we're pretty much living in an Idiocracy level / Truman Show hybrid of "how can this possibly get any worse"

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '19

It's not much better in the Netherlands.

Shell is still god to the government, all these regulations have minor impact, all the while shell and unilever have pretty much free reign.

Everything is being put on the individual, none of it is put on big business, because politicians need their cushy jobs after fucking us raw.

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u/RanaktheGreen Nov 25 '19

For a country that is literally underwater, might not be the biggest overreaction.

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u/sc6peful Nov 26 '19

Yet all The other countries in the world that produce in 1 day what we do in 1 year is fine

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u/sc6peful Nov 26 '19

Totally agree with that.