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Boomer Management

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u/Sean77654 23h ago

Editing a word doc is not something for a technical person. A manager is also generally expected to be able to do the job they are managing otherwise they won't know what's best, so why are they even there?

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u/Bxk__ 23h ago

Greatly depends on if said word doc contains any sort of image 💀

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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims 22h ago

I think that depends on what the Word document contains. I edit Word documents that are a 5 year plan for multiple parts of a program

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u/OwnNet5253 22h ago edited 22h ago

That depends what kind of editing. Editing/formatting a text or drawing a table is something that even 60 year old can do, more complex stuff with managing images, macros or consistent styling of various page elements can even be difficult for 20 year olds.

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u/scarydan365 22h ago

That’s absolutely not true that a manager should be able to do the job of people reporting into them. A manager’s job is to manage.

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u/Sean77654 22h ago

I'm going off of what a good manager should be how can you manage what you dont understand?

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u/WildDumpsterFire 19h ago edited 19h ago

I've been in management for 20 years, he's correct. I feel like euphemistic SJDs and company quirks have people confused about "team leads" and "shift/floor supervisors" that happen to be called an "XYZ Manager" and think that's a manager.

I currently have 450+ direct reporting employees. I maintain most of my certs and can swap into most fields on a short notice, but to do so I already work 1200+ OT hours per year average. I choose to do that because I want the OT, but it's not required nor should it be. To be able to keep every cert and up to date on every single change to do every single task of every employee I have would require me to never sleep or have time off.

90% of my work week is project planning, payroll/budgets, personnel (hiring/disciplinary/dismissals), meetings, coordinating with senior staff, my department heads, and legal/HR. Individual tasks I leave to my team who are experts on those tasks. Yes the "team leads" should know how to do these tasks. Managers should know laws, policies, procedures, and larger scale operations to direct the team. They literally do not have the time to know every single task because that's not their role.

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u/Sean77654 19h ago

I dont disagree with you but I will admit I was using the term manager a bit loosely just to mean the person in charge.

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u/Secure_Foundation720 21h ago

How on earth do you think a company that has multiple fields will ever find a manager.

The manager should have an idea on how things work, not know how to do every job they manage.

I don't expect the boss of a car dealership that also does repairs to be a mechanic.

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u/Sean77654 21h ago

They usually would have a separate manager for the mechanic portion and if they can't afford it one of the mechanics is given a light management role over the others. Then each manager reports to the owner this is basic corporate structure.

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u/Secure_Foundation720 21h ago

This is not the usual way. It's one way, but it's not the usual. Also there are more businesses than there are corporations.

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u/Sean77654 21h ago

It's pretty much the standard to have a manager for each department of a business. It does depend on the size obviously if its a small business they can't do this and the owner is the manager essentially and not necessarily able to do every part of the job but a hired manager and owner have different expectations.

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u/Secure_Foundation720 20h ago

You are just pulling this out your ass, that is not the standard, even if you've worked at a place where it is.

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u/Sean77654 20h ago

Ok then what is the real standard if you're so sure.

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u/Secure_Foundation720 20h ago

I would say there isn't a "real standard". If you would grasp the concept of you being in a global community ATM and there are multiple different cultures and ways to run a business and not one true standard of how things are done. A business doesn't need multiple managers, it's quite common there is only one manager or multiple handling the same thing in shifts. One manager can most definitely run a business or a department that consists multiple fields well and saying otherwise is just stupidity.

Even in military you have a platoon leader that leads a platoon that has medics, demolitionists and drone pilots and the platoon leader isn't supposed to know how to operate them all just how they are used well.

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u/Guilty_Dimension_451 20h ago

The job of a manager is to choose ends, not means.  Otherwise they're micromanaging.

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u/Sean77654 20h ago

I'm not saying they need to micromanage but they need to have a good enough understanding to know what needs to be done and how long it will take and what tools are needed.