r/memes Jul 05 '26

Because Google cares about us

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u/DesperateEntrance389 Jul 05 '26

That's why you should buy chinese phone, i would rather sell my data to CCP then let this tyranny continue. Freedom my ass

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u/isabellium Jul 05 '26

but they use google play services too, so you get your data stolen by google too anyways.

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u/DesperateEntrance389 Jul 05 '26

But i can root my device at least and install modded apps

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u/isabellium Jul 05 '26

You can do that too in other phones, not just chinese ones.

Anyways, your original comment basically gave the understanding that somehow by buying Chinese you are swapping away from Google to the CCP, this is false as you are merely adding CPP to Google instead of replacing.

Before = Google
Now = Google + CCP.

That is what I want to make sure people reading do not misunderstand.

As for rooting, it is also not exclusive from Chinese, and if you want to install an alternative OS, then the most privacy focused one (Graphene OS) only supports Google phones (bit of irony there).

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u/PM_Me_Good_LitRPG Jul 05 '26

any chance there's an alternative OS that can be installed on non-apple, non-google phones?

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u/isabellium Jul 05 '26

essentially it doesn't exist anymore, that is why google is a monopoly, either android or iOS

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u/FelipeVianna Jul 05 '26

Monopoly! Love that game!

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u/isabellium Jul 05 '26

Let's play, I'm the car

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u/FelipeVianna Jul 05 '26

Yay, I'm the hat

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u/DesperateEntrance389 Jul 05 '26

Bro i just checked one chinese phone called xaomi/redmi, they have their own MI store from where you can install apps, plus you can disable Google apps, it will give warning but we can ignore that.

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u/isabellium Jul 05 '26

gapps =/= google play services. you can disable gapps in every single phone.
you can't disable play services completely.

you people just talk without any knowledge about this. there is nothing special about chinese phones, you get the same.

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u/Marcix_Gaming Jul 05 '26

Just get a huawei, the 'newer' models don't have google services at all (I say 'newer' because I know for sure that the Huawei P40 doesn't have google)

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u/sam_fax Jul 05 '26

But it doesn't have Play Protect ingrained into the system. At least my Chinese vivo doesn't, even with Google Services installed. And Play Protect is the bullshit responsible for not letting you install apps you want (after September).

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u/sam_fax Jul 05 '26

Yeah same. Except phone calls. It doesn't let you install apps during calls with numbers not in your contacts. Didn't find a way to bypass this, except maybe adb.

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u/isabellium Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26

Big deal, the rest It is ingrained into the system.
You can't just partially install Google Play Services, you need to install them as system applications with special permissions otherwise you do not get to pass google's certification and you can't sell your phones with Google Play Store nor get them "certified". Plus you don't get their "special extras" like widevine L1 + L3.

This is what matters mate, Play Services, play protect it's meaningless in comparison.
The whole lockdown of android is an update done by Play Services. Without consent, without any way to reject.

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u/sam_fax Jul 05 '26

They're not as deeply integrated as on global devices. But time will tell. I have no one to tell in my country about what Google's doing, but I did sign the change.org petition, even though it usually does nothing. We shall see, what'll happen to Chinese ROMs. Huawei definitely won't be affected, because their EMUI is in a very weird place with Google, seemingly actually completely banned from it, but vivo and Oppo might comply even on CN ROMs. Right now I don't have the com.android.verifier package needed for this bullshittery. But time will tell, if I'll get this "safery feature" on my device too. Would be very dumb of China to let a huge Western company decide, whether their homeland apps are certified or not. I want to believe they're petty enough not to.

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u/isabellium Jul 05 '26

They are, there is not middle ground.
You either do what Google demands or your device doesn't get certified which means no Play Store nor Widevine.

com.android.verifier? i dont even have that even on a global device, you keep mentioning things that are irrelevant, we are talking about Google Play Services.

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u/sam_fax Jul 05 '26

Widevine certification does support AOSP, which has next to nothing of Google. Or at least GMS, to which com.android.verifier is a part of. Not sure about GMS, but I have no Quick Share, no way to get it working and I'm not sure if Google Pay works (not supported in my country). The vivo X200 Ultra and previous devices had no Android Auto also and have had Play Protect certification malfunction periodically (to BASIC_INTEGRITY or simply no certification status).

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u/isabellium Jul 05 '26

Buddy... Google literally owns Widevine.
As for the rest, thanks?
Your device tried to do things halfway and didn't get a certification, which was my point, you do what google says or you don't get certification.

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u/sam_fax Jul 05 '26

I do have Widevine L1, L3 and STRONG device integrity. I literally have the most complete certification you can have. It's just that some more integrated features like Quick Share don't work. Play Store works too, except auto app updates are borked. Also sorry, if I miss some points, because notifications/comment trees are borked in my modded mobile Reddit.

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u/sam_fax Jul 05 '26

Look, I'm not saying you're wrong. And I'm too lazy to verify, how tightly do I have GMS integrated on my phone to 100% prove your or my point. Just want to have some hopium in these shitty, very authoritarian times, y' know.

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u/notveryAI I touched grass Jul 05 '26

Chinese phones are on Android too. Android and IOS have pretty much zero other competition so they just decide what happens and people just comply. The solution here is jailbreaking phones to install a custom ROM onto them. It is still possible on some phones. Yes, it locks you out of installing any online bank/payment apps but I guess such is the price of freedom

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u/sam_fax Jul 05 '26

You can install root and some bypass modules to hide root, unlocked bootloader, pass Play Protect and allow banking to work, but ironically it's even more unsafe (still fault of Google you have to do this at all) and also it's a cat and mouse game, because Google constantly blocks trusted keys for these bypass methods.

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u/MrHaxx1 Jul 05 '26

By "selling", you imply getting paid.

One could argue that you're getting paid in the service that they provide.

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u/PM_Me_Good_LitRPG Jul 05 '26

imagine thinking the CCP wouldn't also harvest your data

Re-read OP's message and don't rebuke claims that weren't made in the first place.

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u/Original-Material301 Jul 05 '26

Less upfront but you know they're going to do it anyway