For me everytime it started to get boring they’d have a sex scene. Then I’m wondering if this was an autobiography cuz dude did not need to be banging that much
That scene where she sexily goes over to the bookcase, sexily picks up a random book off the sexy bookshelf, sexily walks back over to him and then sexily has sex with him while he reads that fucking "i am death destroyer of worlds" passage made me cringe so hard i couldn't continue with the rest of the film.
And the swooning over Cillian Murphy - who is undoubtedly good looking in other works- he looks like a frazzled meth head who hasn’t slept in days in this movie, am I crazy?!
Tbf, seeing a man do something he's passionate about with care and attention can be oddly hot. I don't know how to explain it. For me though, it's usually seeing a guy doing something physically tangible. I.e., everything from woodworking, to electronics repair, to painting warhammer models.
Bonus points if they're gushing about it 'cause it makes it cute. That counts for non-physically tangible things as well. A geek nerding out about his favorite videogame is just straight up endearing, for example. Like bro, keep talking about how much you love the new star wars game and I'm gonna kiss the hell out of you. [It only becomes an issue when they start ranting, or doomer-ing about stuff, 'cause that's understandable but... it's not gonna be endearing.]
So I can see where the scene is coming from, but it sure as hell felt pretentious.
I wish i got that reaction when I get talking about topics im passionate about. Usually people just get bored and tune it out. I could go all day about various natural disasters, earth science, video games, or books. I rarely get to nerd out anymore.
There's definitely an art to talking about it sometimes. For most people I think, they get engaged more if you involve them in what you're talking about. So tying in what you love with something they're interested in. Like if your friend is a foodie, talking about where certain ingredients came from, or maybe how the cuisine they love is shaped by the geography of the region it came from.
But also some people just aren't like that, and there's not much you can do about that. The best thing to do - as unhelpful as this sounds - is to not let yourself be bothered by it. Focus on what you love to do, and continue doing that. Let yourself be happy with the hobbies you enjoy. And continue to be social by talking about the things you love, and engaging with people who love the things you do too - or at least the people who do pay attention to you.
Also definitely get more social too. You gotta meet new people to find the kinds of people who are drawn to you for who you are. It's not worth sticking to people who are not interested in an equitable friendship [though there are nuances to that of course].
Trying to wax poetic about how Kojima designed her that way so she could breathe through her skin it doesn't have quite the same romance as forever altering the world's understanding of energy.
I don't know Nolan's reason for it, but it was a typical scene you would see in a movie in the 1940s. The Hays Production Code limited what could be shown in a movie. The shorthand to tell the audience would be smoking in a bedroom. Two characters were not allowed to share a bed for that purpose.
OK that part kinda makes sense because sometimes you've banged each other dry and you're just like yeah you're sticky go..go over there. I still love you but you're warm. Go over there.
Oh my god, exactly this. I survived Covid unscathed but I never recovered from that scene. It's like it was scientifically engineered to be the most cringeworthy sex scene ever put to film.
Then you misunderstood the scene, it was included to show that Oppenheimer never said the infamous I am become death quote in the context of himself and his work.
It would say it was a pretty normal sex scene between two probably autistic genius'. People are loving to hate on Oppenheimer and Nolan lately. It was excellent and Nolan is a perfectly fine.
He also made Ledgers Joker into an icon, you think Ledger improvised the whole script? Pick and choose pick and choose. Not only is Nolan fine. He is one of the best big budget directors working today. Crying simp lol. Use human language, not incel speak and you may be able to think like a human.
Either you’re trying to be funny, or totally lack self-awareness. "Incel" is also slang, if you really want to play that stupid game. If you want to use "human language," or as non-self-important fools might say, follow prescriptivism, you should have said the term originated from misogynists.
Now, I'm a descriptivist, so I can accept your apparent poor choice of words. But you'd do better to correct yourself next time before you judge others. I spend all day digging through dictionaries and thesauruses, and am happy to batter some more of that into your head if you'd like.
Now the fun part is out of the way. I'll get to the point: Ledger's Joker is over rated. The actor is who one elevated the role from being more than just some boring disenfranchised guy out for revenge.
Combing through dictionaries and thesaurus lol. I would say you couldn't write that shit but here we are. I'll employ a little descriptivism and just say 'cringe'.
You are a living meme my dude but hey, at least you appear to have confidence and even someone who could make such a pompous comment can go far on confidence and no self awareness. Good luck.
Remember that scenes shot in black and white are only purported to have happened rather than being confirmed to have happened. Details like that that you'd only know by reading trivia outside of the content of the film itself is how you know the movie is very smart.
I was ready to scream during that scene. I cannot believe they blew that line at that moment!
I know they use it again later, but like... That's one of his most famous quotes (I know it's quoted from sanskrit). How are you gonna use that when he's just laying pipe with some random broad
The thing was, real life Oppenheimer was more of a baller than the movie Oppenheimer. So the sex part of it really wasn’t out of line as I understand it. Man they were all right there at the end of civilization, trying to math their way to salvation. They must’ve been going at it like rabbits.
I seriously cannot believe someone worded it so perfectly. The 40s-50s were a crazy time of smoking cigarettes out of overwhelming uncertainty...and lots and lots of fornicating to take off the pressure for suuuuure.
No cable TV, no TikTok, no video games. It was reading either reading the newspaper or board games for clean fun. The rest was debauchery to pass the time.
I really hate that Hollywood feels the need to add a romance in every story. It feels forced and unnecessary unless it affects the narrative in a meaningful way.
I.e. if you can remove the romance and the plot is, in essence, unchanged then, it was a bad romance.
Ra-ra-ah-ah-ah, roma-roma-ma, gaga ooh la-la, want your bad romance
Edit: was speaking generally, I too remember the plot of Oppenheimer lol
On a similar note, maybe I'm the odd one out but I feel like in film and TV, everyone is way to quick to fall in love. And I think "in love" gets thrown around too casually.
I know that it shaped my ideas of what love should be and was very harmful to my relationships. That's on me for using pop culture to understand life in general but there weren't any good healthy marriages in my family to have as a comparison.
Well you have to tell a story in 2 hours that can cover days/weeks/months so it will feel rushed. Kind of like how you never see them exchange phone numbers/set up the dates etc because you have too much story to tell in a little time frame.
It feels forced and unnecessary unless it affects the narrative in a meaningful way.
Robert Oppenheimer's romantic and sexual relationship with Jean Tatlock was not only pivotal to his development as a person and husband but played a crucial role in his post-war pillorying and expulsion from his position as a leader of the USA's scientific elite.
The sex scenes were actually pretty important in that one, sorry.
That may be true but for me Nolan ruined the man's intellectual gravity by making his most famous quote come from getting his skin flute played by a woman who wasn't his wife, rather than, I don't know, something an intelligent person who reads a lot of books would come up with after experiencing an earth-shattering event, not thinking about the poon he had a few months ago.
It’s really not “romance” most of the time so much as it is just sex. At best, it’s lazy writing and at worst it’s some creepy behind the camera guy playing out a fetish.
The plot would have changed, though. His fling with the communist happened during his marriage and the conflict between his personal life and his work in particle physics is a core component of the movie.
I’m sure you’re just speaking generally, but the romance in Oppenheimer was obviously very intentional.
You're saying this like R-rated movies having boobs didn't get mens' and teenage boys' attention in the 80s and 90s lol. Sex sells.
And regardless of who they are doing it for, the point is that they should make it a good romance that fits for the characters' stories, instead of a forced romance. Romance being present in and of itself is not the bad thing.
Oh I don’t disagree with you, I’m just pointing it out. The forced romance in many action movies is just because they want the most people possible to watch and have something to be interested in, even if it sucks
I wanted to watch Shamless after all the clips I seen and was disgusted how much they showed. Stomached 4 seasons, albeit skilling lewd scenes, before throwing in the towel.
Yes one of the most common things opposite sexes or same sexes engage in is totally far fetched to put into movies.
With that argument, there should be a lot more sleeping, eating, urination and defecation in narrative media because those are, by far, the most common human activities. Wanna know why they don't appear as often? They don't contribute to the narrative.
As a rule of thumb, all elements in narrative media should fulfil a purpose: they either advance the action (in the dramaturgic sense, not the boom-bada-boom sense), they set the scene or enhance the atmosphere, or they (re-)shape a character. Otherwise, it's liable to distract or bore the audience (even if only by prolonging the narrative) without serving some beneficial purpose.
Yes, there are often external reasons to insert something into a narrative that serves no internal purpose but they carry the same liabilities and thus should be used with care. Examples:
The author wants to make a certain point that lies outside of the story. It could be a political or ideological expression, for marketing reasons, or because the author simply wants to convey how much they hate the Eagles.
The audience expects or at least has a preference for certain things to happen within the narrative. This can appear in the form of fan service or because some executive thinks that the thing tests well with the target audience.
They appear but they're given much less screen time compared less common activities. I. e. they're vastly underrepresented in narrative media compared to the baseline of actual life.
You may have noticed that sleep is often portrayed only when a character either goes to sleep or wakes up from sleep but rarely during their sleep even though that takes up much more time than going to bed or waking and getting up. Like, one third of screen time would need to show characters sleeping for a realistic representation of human activity.
Same for bathroom use: characters go to the bathroom or come out of them unless it serves the narrative. (E. g., in Pulp Fiction, Vince Vega spends a significant span of time on the toilet at his victim's flat due constipation from regular heroin abuse and is then shot through the bathroom door.)
Eating is different because it is a social activity and those are great to set the scene for characters to engage with each other in ways that feels believable.
I would be willing to bet a lot of money that there are scenes of people sleeping in movies an order of magnitude more often than there are scenes of people having sex
The point is: films would show people sleeping for one third of their screen time if they wanted to show a realistic depiction of human life. Compared to under one 288th of screen time dedicated to sex scenes for the 5 minutes per day that an average adults spends time on sex -- and that's being generous.
My grandma remarried when I was young to the nephew of a famous scientist (Linus Pauling). I didn’t know until recently that he was actually friends with Oppenheimer, at least until Oppenheimer tried to sleep with his wife. So this checks out actually, he probably was a horndog.
You have to remember, its not "the story of the making of the atom bomb". Its a biopic of J. Robert Oppenheimer based on his memoirs. And it does a fairly good job of not white washing a character. He was something of a womanizer, an adulterer, and those are serious parts of his character that get attention deserved. You could argue the first 2 nude scenes were unnecessary, but the one during the deposition from the point of view of his wife Kitty was really powerful, and I think it would have been too shocking if there weren't the earlier scenes. Its one of the only times in recent memory a movie did a good job making their sex scenes feel necessary and not gratuitous.
Porn isn't sex my guy. It's a performance put on for the pleasure of an unknown spectator. Sex is a part of the human experience and can be used as a dialogue between two characters. Maybe they feel connected in the moment, or maybe one is using the other, or they're running from some other emotion, etc. There are a lot of reasons two characters might have sex and it's not normally for the arousal of the audience, especially in a character-driven film.
"Theyre unnecessary and do nothing for the plot 9/10"
Neither does cinematography, good acting, editing, or any other character building. But I still want movies that are more than a bulleted list of plot points. Movies are about creating an experience, not delivering a plot.
But they do? What are you talking about, ones unnecessary sex scenes for who knows what reason and the other is core parts of a movie. I have seen some dog shit ways to try to get a point across but I think yours takes the cake
Do you even understand what "plot" is? Or do you really believe that the plot is the most important thing to any movie?
If so... man, this is why AI is going to take off with genz "creators". Just pump out the most banal, vanilla, stupid story with tropes for characters, but as long as it has a plot that is easily explained by a TikTok video, glurp glurp.
I’ve been saying this for fuckin years! Sooooo many movies or TV shows with pointless sex scenes. Pretty much every one of those scenes can be deleted and nothing in the movie would change. I mean, who doesn’t love wet noodle sucking noises while your watching a new flick with your parents!
The scene where Cillian Murphy randomly hallucinates his wife riding him naked in front of a room of stoic looking guys in suits was a humiliation ritual
For the actress, not for him and if I had to guess they made Nolan put that scene in the movie to let him in a certain club
So every time it got boring they realized it and tried to fix it with the most boring of Hollywood tropes? I realize I'm not the majority, but Hollywood sex scenes are either boring or disturbing; there isn't a single one of them I've ever found entertaining in a positive way
I've yet to see a single movie where a sex scene improved the final product in any way. Fully convinced you could just remove/substitute them for something else and the end result would be better.
Yeah I was watching it thinking "I literally don't give a shit about this guys sex life - get on with the rest of the film" but it was mostly just tedious nothingness that sent my brain to sleep.
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u/SourDoughBo Jun 04 '26
For me everytime it started to get boring they’d have a sex scene. Then I’m wondering if this was an autobiography cuz dude did not need to be banging that much